"Misjudging Our Freedoms"
Abstract:
We are now at F-day plus five.
No matter what side of the debate you took, the discussion circled around one thing - freedom of speech.
Contrary to what some may think, we conservatives do hold up more than just the Second Amendment. I fully support the Editorial Board's legal right to say what they did....
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Abel
posted 9/26/07 @ 5:53 AM MST
Contacting your online and print advertisers voicing my objections is proving quite effective. $30k is just the start. Too bad the laid off employees have to learn McSwane's lesson for him.
Dan
posted 9/26/07 @ 9:51 AM MST
Originally posted byAbel
Contacting your online and print advertisers voicing my objections is proving quite effective. $30k is just the start. Too bad the laid off employees have to learn McSwane's lesson for him.
So you support hurting CSU to promote your political agenda? Kinda sounds like what so many of you are accusing McSwane of, now doesn't it? So which part did you take so personally - the profanity or the "bashing of our President"?
The truth is, advertising dollars will return. College students buy stuff and the Collegian is a place to advertise. With the national coverage this is getting, more advertisers will want their ads in this paper. It may not be the same advertisers, but controversy sparks interest and that will lead to more advertising dollars.
Erin C.
posted 9/26/07 @ 9:52 PM MST
Originally posted byAbel
Contacting your online and print advertisers voicing my objections is proving quite effective. $30k is just the start. Too bad the laid off employees have to learn McSwane's lesson for him.
Amen!! This was a well-written response to someone's narrow-minded babbling! It's pretty interesting to see that a single person has taken credit for The Collegian's loss of sdvertisers...can we say conceited?!
Erin
posted 9/26/07 @ 3:56 PM MST
I think it is nice to see a conservative look past the political comments and see this for what it was: an exercise in the right to freedom of speech without considering the consequences! There were no legal lines crossed in McSwane's editorial, just public lines of integrity, which have direct consequences...consequences that McSwane and The Collegian are realizing. People need to look past their hurt political pride in this issue.
Please Read the 1st Amendment
posted 9/26/07 @ 7:40 PM MST
The 1st Amendment does not guarantee unlimited free speech. If you read the entire amendment, and how the courts have interpreted it, you will see it in fact guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of the press without interference from the government. That's the key point, and what David McSwane seems to misunderstand. I doubt he ever thought that the Federal or State government would shut down the Collegian for its 4 word editorial. He wanted a public reaction. If that reaction is negative, the fault belongs to him and the rest of the editorial board and they should accept the consequences. The readers can stop reading, the advertisers can stop paying, and the paper can dry up. Freedom of the press has protected the Collegian from being shut down; this is not a first amendment issue of government censorship. The issue is social responsibility, and the social consequences are still playing out. Just like children which often test the limits of their parent's patience as they grow and mature, Mr. McSwane and the rest of the editorial board was testing the patience of their readers. Now let's just hope they'll grow up and mature too.
Bob Dylan
posted 9/26/07 @ 7:56 PM MST
Ron Paul is the ONLY antiwar Candidate and the ONLY man with the proven spotless track record that deserves our trust to inherit the 'thrown' after Bush.
With some 10 terms in office, his voting record is spotless along Constitutional lines. He truly is a champion of our freedoms.
We the People need to unite, stop getting divided over petty issues, and take action to save our country while we still can!!!
Find out more about Ron Paul here:
www.RonPaul2008.com
www.RonPaulAudio.com
www.RonPaulLibrary.org
www.FreeMe.tv
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/
With some 10 terms in office, his voting record is spotless along Constitutional lines. He truly is a champion of our freedoms.
We the People need to unite, stop getting divided over petty issues, and take action to save our country while we still can!!!
Find out more about Ron Paul here:
www.RonPaul2008.com
www.RonPaulAudio.com
www.RonPaulLibrary.org
www.FreeMe.tv
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/
Former CSU Journalist
posted 9/27/07 @ 12:22 AM MST
Originally posted byBob Dylan
Ron Paul is the ONLY antiwar Candidate and the ONLY man with the proven spotless track record that deserves our trust to inherit the 'thrown' after Bush.
With some 10 terms in office, his voting record is spotless along Constitutional lines. He truly is a champion of our freedoms.
We the People need to unite, stop getting divided over petty issues, and take action to save our country while we still can!!!
So sorry to be nit-picking over what I'm sure is a 'petty issue', but the fact that you do not know the difference between 'thrown' and 'throne' greatly hinders our ability to take you seriously. This is a basic sign of your education level and if you cannot properly account for the correct use of homophones in your written discourse then why should we allow you any credibility for your political statement?
Just a question...
John M.
posted 9/27/07 @ 8:45 AM MST
Two great cards just in case of an emergency.
1) The Free Speech card
2) The Race card
What card are in your wallet?
1) The Free Speech card
2) The Race card
What card are in your wallet?
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Steven
posted 9/26/07 @ 2:02 AM MST
Firstly, your argument concerning the "taser incident" seems to rely pretty heavily on "facts" provided by a police report. In addition, this sentence: "Meyer immediately went crazy and resisted arrest, which is a huge no-no" has three significant problems. 1) Can you really establish that he went crazy? This seems a little far reaching, and I feel it puts the actions of the officers into even greater scrutiny, is it okay to taser an insane individual? 2) This is the first I have heard of arrest in your article, I thought the officers were attempting to remove Meyer, and 3) "a huge no-no" (I feel this speaks for itself - did you proofread this?)
About the "Fuck Bush" editorial: To start, I doubt anyone involved assumed that free-speech meant that anything could be said without regard to consequence, but I also don't think that that this concept of "consequence" as you put it somehow allows for any consequence. What is an appropriate consequence for printing (with full legal rights) the word "Fuck" in an editorial - with no authoritative claim whatsoever? Also, I have a sense that this particular issue of the Collegian was probably more widely distributed than most others - and the advertisers (who, in most cases, are explicitly essentially seperate from the content of the paper) got quite a bit more press for the ad-space that they paid for in that issue than in any other.
These events show your reactionary and unfounded narrow-mindednes. The consequence should be that this paper receives more press.
Also, I should note that the editorial itself is not something that I view as commendable or valuable, but this response is unwarranted - and unnecessary. The statement is powerless - but such hyperbolic protest only lends credence to it's worth.