The Rocky Mountain Collegian

OMG that had me in stiches. What a great , pithy , witty barb. My hats off to you. Wish you were some one else but just P so I would know who was so brilliant and funny.

Again kudos to you on a great comment.

Originally posted by

P

The Collegian may not be for sale, but I think the students are willing to offer McSwane to the highest bidder.

Originally posted by

P

The Collegian may not be for sale, but I think the students are willing to offer McSwane to the highest bidder.

To Mr. or Ms. "P":

That's hilarious! True wit trumps every other card in the deck.

No one is hating anyone. You act like the students don't have the right to protest their paper which they all own that has been hijacked by McSwane. This is a typical Liberal tactic. You trash something and if any one dare try to stop you you accuse them of being haters or bigots or free speech sensors. It is a hollow and ignorant argument.

The students have every right to get rid of McSwane and they don't hate him to do it.

Your rash generalization of any one that cares about decent journalism and reporting as being some how a hater is simplistic , wrong and naive.

The rule is no profanity is to be published. McSwane chose to break that rule. Even I was willing to forgive and forget if he apologized and followed the rules. But he chose to not only not apologize but to break the very rule he was admonished by his peers for breaking earlier on many occasions. He flaunted his arrogance and disdain for the rules and the student body that made them.

So if there is any hate here it is by McSwane and his supporters who want to destroy an entire campus community that voted for and created the rules the govern themselves by , just to serve their egos and own selfish juvenile agenda.

So those you so naively describe as haters are actually the decent members of the campus community who's only crime is the audacity that they demand that McSWane follow the rules like they all have to.

To do anything else is calling for active anarchy and about as dumb as a stump.

Originally posted by

RobC

The content of the majority of the posts here prove to me once again that the small minded among us are the most vocal in the anonimaty of the blog post. Don't you have something more to do than hate others?

Your admiration is misplaced. McSwane doesn't care about you or freedom of speech he is simply duping you and employing young naive ladies like you to keep his job so he can go back to his shoddy journalism and profanity laden uninformative articles.

Question Megan.

You did understand that McSwane was admonished by your student body for his F Bush fiasco. You are aware also that after he agreed in public not to do it again he and his staff have used profanity for no good reason numerous times since then.

So you admire people who thumb their noses at the student government. Ludicrous.

You also say you admire McSwane in this time of stifling free speech. Are you crazy. How is McSwane being allowed to print F Bush and get nothing but a slap on the wrist hard times for free speech. It is exactly the opposite. There is hardly any restraint in free speech any more.

I think you just want to go out with David J McSwane because your argument is just silly.

I am sure McSwane loves seeing an uninformed young lady like you touting him as some kind of free speech Messiah.

I don't have to go through the list of negative things that have happened since McSwanes ill advised outburst. Name the good things that have come from it.

Go ahead I dare ya.

You need to go back read the posts and get a position that is not so inane.

I hope you are not the young lady I met at CSU. If you are then shame on you. You know better than that.

You are arrogant beyond belief to think that somehow the administration at CSU or the White House should check with you before doing their job. You do not run the school. One has but to look at McSwane's mess to see what would happen if you kids did actually run things.

Once you tolerate profanity you lode the moral authority to regulate it's use.

So once again I apologize for having to do this but Megan must have missed my profanity laced posts that got the students to respond whining that I was talking filthy and please stop. If you let McSwane get away with it then you have no authority to enforce your rules on me or any one else that is on the campus.

So I guess Megan wants me to be able to tell her to fuck off because she is a dumb bitch that should keep her opinion to her fucking self. Now according to McSwane after an outburst like this Megan you should be worshiping me as a free speech hero. You wouldn't try to stifle my dissent would you Megan?

Your argument is hollow , and not well thought out. You sound like a cookie cutter student. You know the one that shows up to campus rally's against the man. You have no real justification or specifics in your argument , just rash generalizations and catch phrases.

You are right on one thing. We shouldn't have to sell the paper or restrain McSwanes speech. It is him and his supporters that have begged for some one to do something by their actions.

Oh yes and your hero McSwane laid off another 5 people because of his actions. This is because advertisers have left the Collegian because they don't want to be associated with McSwanes comments and alienate the decent community they work in.

You say that you are pro student voice yet you worship a man that through his actions laid off 5 workers at the Collegian. There are five voices that no longer have the Collegian platform to voice there thoughts. All so that your God McSwane could abuse his position and authority.

So if you support McSwane you actually stifle dissent. Your argument just stinks sorry.

Originally posted by

Megan

Personally, I admire editor McSwane for fighting for the rights of students to have a voice in a time where dissenting opinions have been discouraged. I know my experience with authority thus far, both with our national president and with the president of the university, has showed me that the people on top are power-hungry, and prefer their secrets to open communication. I believe that now is the time for students to speak up- don't be afraid to question authority! If they can't provide an answer, they don't deserve to lead.

All that you say about the paper becoming a tool of the company that owns it is just common sense. Of course it will be all media in the country is some companies tool. But not all media is bad so that means there are company owned tools that seem to do a decent job.


The problem is you stop short of finishing the problem. Right now the paper is nothing but a far left and McSwane tool serving the needs of no one. They are not a watchdog of campus society , but a pariah feeding off of it and ignoring its rules while flaunting that fact in juvenile editorials and articles replete with profanity strewn passages.

So let's be fair and show both sides of this puzzle created by the unprofessional behavior exhibited by the Collegian Editor and his underlings ( his words no mine ).

McSWane has violated journalistic ethics on campus and been admonished for it. Then proceeded to commit the same offense numerous times and brag about it.

You say be careful what you wish for. Well you missed the huge be careful of what you've got right in front of your face. You are so busy being afraid of control that you miss the fact the paper is already controlled and useless.

Originally posted by

Ron Johnson

To those of you clamoring for the administration to take control, be
careful for what you wish.

When the city newspaper and the campus administration are in
partnership, the campus paper will be little more than their tool.

The campus paper will no longer compete with the local newspaper for
advertising. It's likely to shrink in size and in scope.

And student staffing will suffer in two ways.

First, there's no way a corporation will make significant investments
in
a student payroll, at least not for very long. News corporations are
trimming staffs at their large dailies.

Second, once the administration and/or the local publisher turns the
screws, any chance at independent investigative reporting -- even
lighthearted criticism -- will be gone.

Of course, you'll also see a difference in the local paper. If it
tackles any hot issues on campus now, that will change. Why would it
want to offend the administration and lose income on the campus paper?

You may disagree with how the Collegian has caused certain
controversies. I respect that.

But at least the Collegian is an independent student voice, not the
bland, cheerleading publication that will replace it with such an
agreement.

When the campus watchdog is gone, it won't be just student journalists
who have lost.

So will readers.

Ron Johnson
Past president / College Media Advisers
Kansas State University

Good first lesson is free LOL!

I didn't think we had met since we seem to be diametrically opposed on the issue of law and order vs. anarchy and complete loss of control within the framework of the student body and it's mores , rules and laws.

I'm sorry but yes I find you putting the free speech rights of one individual and the staff you can count on one hand ahead of the rules and order of the entire campus community disturbing to say the least and extremely naive in a practical sense for the survival of any society.

One can not survive on a societal level unless one has rule of law , and meaningful responses to people who see fit to violate those norms that all live under to maintain order in any civilized society.

So your argument that it is somehow more important to allow McSwane to abuse free speech rights by using profanity he knows is against the rules. His selfish use of that word has cost many of his friends and colleagues their jobs and not from a sneaky administration but by advertisers excersising their free speech rights to denounce such base behavior.

Not to mention that you are arguing to put one guys misguided use of his speech rights to deprive an entire campus community of the respect it had before he went out and pulled this bone headed stunt.

Si yes I find you argument unbelievably weak and uninformed unless what you are trying to argue is that all rules and laws on Campus should be done away with and individual rights be unfettered. If that is what you are trying to champion them we just plain disagree on what a civilized society is. Also I would give you a week with every one on campus allowed to do what ever they wanted and you would be crying for structure , security , safety , etc.

If you are not an anarchist then your argument makes no sense as it backs the break down of the structure of law. No one is asking for McSwane to be unjustly crucified , just punished and made to face meaningful consequences for his willful violation of journalistic ethics by breaking the rules multiple times.

We ask simply for justice and get accused by the left of trying to stifle free speech. Ludicrous!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by

Megan

To Craig:

I don't know what "young lady" you met at CSU but I doubt it was me. To start with, I don't at all see us getting along.

You can tell me to fuck off all you want. And far from getting mad, I'm glad that we live in a country where you have the right to say that. And we have the right to uncensored discourse. Who are you to determine what does and does not have the right to be censored? And for someone who is so offended by the word "fuck," you seem pretty happy about being allowed to use it.

As far as shallow goes, let me clear something up. You would regret having met or talked to me because my opinions on censorship in the media are different than yours? Seriously? And the only way you can think of to discredit my position is by maligning ME? "You only want to go out with him." "naive young ladies.... are you aware?" "she is a dumb bitch who should keep her opinion to her fucking self" "you are arrogant beyond belief" "You have no real justification or specifics in your argument , just rash generalizations and catch phrases"

Just a question... do you hear yourself when you speak? As far as weak arguments go, your actions contradicted your supposed message multiple times. Go back and reread what you wrote, because you made several hasty generalizations about me. And for what- disagreeing with you? I never once insulted you personally!

Thank you for showing all of us ignorant liberals your priceless moral wisdom. I know I've learned a lot.