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CSU Republicans hold public petition
Abstract:
In the days following The Rocky Mountain Collegian editorial on September 21st, students, faculty and community members alike have been calling for the resignation of Collegian Editor in Chief J. David McSwane.
McSwane will be brought before the Board of Student Communications on Wednesday, 7:00 pm, in the Plant Science building, room C101....
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Phocus
posted 9/25/07 @ 8:35 AM MST
Originally posted byAlum'01
Check those petition names. I'm sure dozens will be fake. It wouldn't be the first time the GOP did that on campus. Plus, ask them where their funding is coming from - probably from the same people who want to ban books, create a theocracy, and enslave women to the kitchen.
No way...you can't be in college and sound that stupid. You need to update your hate stuff...it's really tired!
Christopher Price
posted 9/25/07 @ 8:39 AM MST
Originally posted byAlum'01
Check those petition names. I'm sure dozens will be fake. It wouldn't be the first time the GOP did that on campus. Plus, ask them where their funding is coming from - probably from the same people who want to ban books, create a theocracy, and enslave women to the kitchen.
This is probably one of the most unbelieveable comments I've read in a while. You clearly are incapable of making a logical argument that has anything to do with fact.
Donald Hackett
posted 9/25/07 @ 3:45 PM MST
Originally posted byAlum'01
Check those petition names. I'm sure dozens will be fake. It wouldn't be the first time the GOP did that on campus. Plus, ask them where their funding is coming from - probably from the same people who want to ban books, create a theocracy, and enslave women to the kitchen.
Wow that sucks, I guess signing that petition means a lot more than I realized, and here I was thinking it was just stating what offended me. By the way while this will sound tired, I like all books, I am a major supporter of womyn's rights; go to rallies make films speak out when given the chance, don't want ot creat a theocracy. So yea I got nothing else to say to this comment.
evon edwards
posted 9/25/07 @ 8:15 PM MST
Originally posted byIf you going to accuse: state names, dates and proof. Conservativism is simply a philosophy that believes in personal responsiblity, the right to bear arms to protect your property, and small government. You are CNN brainwashed and ignorant of points of view other than your own.Alum'01
Check those petition names. I'm sure dozens will be fake. It wouldn't be the first time the GOP did that on campus. Plus, ask them where their funding is coming from - probably from the same people who want to ban books, create a theocracy, and enslave women to the kitchen.
Dick "Vader" Cheney
posted 9/27/07 @ 12:51 PM MST
No one can drop the F-Bomb except me.
Forrest
posted 9/27/07 @ 1:20 PM MST
Originally posted byAlum'01
Check those petition names. I'm sure dozens will be fake. It wouldn't be the first time the GOP did that on campus. Plus, ask them where their funding is coming from - probably from the same people who want to ban books, create a theocracy, and enslave women to the kitchen.
To Evon Edwards...
Ann Coulter... just about anytime she opens her mouth. (Which by the way she has a right to do even though I disagree with her).
Conservatism is not a benign philosophy. Under the current conservative administration the power and scope of government has ballooned exponentially at the expense of personal liberty and privacy. They have created soaring deficits and debt which will burden generations to come. They only mention the Constitution when it suits their purpose or they are pushing to amend it to deny rights to individuals. They have ruled through creating fear and division among the American people and have vigorously sought to suppress the vote among those whom they felt were not likely to vote for them. Now they oppose helping those among us who are unable to help themselves by denying healthcare to 10 million children while demanding another 200 billion for war. This is how they have defined themselves as conservatives and thus the very philosophy they espouse.
dave
posted 9/28/07 @ 7:23 PM MST
You've got to be kidding right? I mean really, "ban books, create a theocracy, and enslave women to the kitchen"
What make believe world are you living in?
What make believe world are you living in?
Originally posted byAlum'01
Check those petition names. I'm sure dozens will be fake. It wouldn't be the first time the GOP did that on campus. Plus, ask them where their funding is coming from - probably from the same people who want to ban books, create a theocracy, and enslave women to the kitchen.
Hse Fatwad
posted 10/09/07 @ 12:22 PM MST
Originally posted byAlum'01
Check those petition names. I'm sure dozens will be fake. It wouldn't be the first time the GOP did that on campus. Plus, ask them where their funding is coming from - probably from the same people who want to ban books, create a theocracy, and enslave women to the kitchen.
Oh, yes, it sounds as if you have a real indocrination (as opposed to education). I wonder how many times the Democrats have done that(the 1960 Presidental election as one example).
..As for funding, the same should be asked of groups like 'people For the American Way", Media Matters, MoveOn.Org, and the defunct "Americans Coming Together" who no doubt are allowed onto your campus to spread their leftist and socialist propaganda, ans ask for donations.
Your instructors must of been a real bunch of hippies, feminazis, and other leftist losers.
jim
posted 9/25/07 @ 6:54 AM MST
Ask the GOP about Dick Chaney using the F word and the Pres flipping off on camera.
Phocus
posted 9/25/07 @ 8:48 AM MST
Originally posted byjim
Ask the GOP about Dick Chaney using the F word and the Pres flipping off on camera.
The VP said it in a private conversation...your editor hopefully ended his journalism careen by printing it on the front page of a college newpaper.
MR
posted 9/26/07 @ 1:54 PM MST
Vice President Dick Cheney told Senator Patrick Leahy to "Fuck off" on the floor of the United States Senate in front of a number of U.S. Senators. It was not a private conversation. Senator Leahy, who is currently chair of the Judiciary Committee, is hardly the type of personality who deserves profanity never mind the tradition of decorum in the Senate.
Renoir
posted 9/26/07 @ 2:43 PM MST
Originally posted byjim
Ask the GOP about Dick Chaney using the F word and the Pres flipping off on camera.
Cheney used the F word on the senate floor. See:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3699-2004Jun24.html
dave
posted 9/28/07 @ 7:27 PM MST
Chaney and Bush shouldn't use profanity in public either. Just because other people do it doesn't make it right for some one else.
Originally posted byjim
Ask the GOP about Dick Chaney using the F word and the Pres flipping off on camera.
Eric Pattison
posted 9/25/07 @ 7:49 AM MST
Does anybody on the side of the editor have anything intelligent to discuss, or are they going to just point fingers and try and shift blame? The allowance of such an absurd comment in a school paper has to raise questions about the editor's character and decision making ability. I think everyone should have an opportunity to voice their opinion in front of the board and let them decide if that is the kind of person they want representing their school. It's about time people start owning up to their mistakes and facing the consequences. I personally hope he does lose his job over this and the school board members have the courage to stand up and make that decision, but it is ultimately their decision and they can choose whomever they want to represent their school.
Peter
posted 9/25/07 @ 8:06 AM MST
LOL...
Well, Wednesday night is the night!
The blame everyone else time is starting.
Who cares where the funding comes from!!
Who cares that the Vice President of the United States used the F word!!
These two comments have nothing to do with the current situation.
Without advertising funding your newspaper income goes away and so does the newspaper.
Free speech is a right in the United States.
Standing up and taking responsibility is also part of this freedom.
I know it's hard to accept this responsibility, but instead of blaming others for this action, stand up and say ... I accept the consequenses.
Well, Wednesday night is the night!
The blame everyone else time is starting.
Who cares where the funding comes from!!
Who cares that the Vice President of the United States used the F word!!
These two comments have nothing to do with the current situation.
Without advertising funding your newspaper income goes away and so does the newspaper.
Free speech is a right in the United States.
Standing up and taking responsibility is also part of this freedom.
I know it's hard to accept this responsibility, but instead of blaming others for this action, stand up and say ... I accept the consequenses.
Caron Speas
posted 9/25/07 @ 2:55 PM MST
Originally posted byPeter
LOL...
Well, Wednesday night is the night!
The blame everyone else time is starting.
Who cares where the funding comes from!!
Who cares that the Vice President of the United States used the F word!!
These two comments have nothing to do with the current situation.
Without advertising funding your newspaper income goes away and so does the newspaper.
Free speech is a right in the United States.
Standing up and taking responsibility is also part of this freedom.
I know it's hard to accept this responsibility, but instead of blaming others for this action, stand up and say ... I accept the consequenses.
A Republican would never ask Cheney or Bush to be "responsible." Only a college editor should be responsible, right? WRONG!!!! Bush and Cheney can destroy this country and its okay with the Young Republicans (i.e. nazi youth) But God forbid that an editor should publish the word "fuck" -- hear them howl!!!! Republicans are such hypocrits!!! They preach morals to the rest of the country while dozens of their own get arrested and convicted of child molestation. HYPOCRITS!!! HERE ARE JUST SOME OF THE NAMES OF INFAMOUS REPUBLICANS CAUGHT IN THE ACT OF CHILD MOLESTATION OR OTHER PERVERTED SEX ACTS: Republican Senator Larry Craig
Republican Representative Mark Foley
Republican televangelist Ted Haggard
Republican State Representative Keith Westmoreland
Republican Nevada state representative Richard Gardner
Republican mayor Waterbury MA, Philip Giordano
Republican Congressman Dan Crane
Republican congressman Robert Bauman
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks
Republican preacher Stephen White
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling
Republican anti-abortion activist John Burt
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Heldreth,
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge
Republican pastor Mike Hintz
Republican legislator Peter Dibble
Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney
Republican Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram
Republican politician Andrew Buhr
Republican activist Parker J. Bena
Republican Bush pioneer Richard A. Delgaudio
These are just a few . . .
Eric Pattison
posted 9/26/07 @ 7:27 AM MST
Just as I stated before, these comments are not about those people you listed, they are about the person who aloud such an immature and unintelligent comment to be printed in a school newspaper. All those people that you mentioned should be held responsible for their actions, but what do their actions have to do with this story. I am not here to say one side is right and one side is wrong, but to say one person is wrong!! People who hold positions such as college newspaper editor in chief have the responsibility to be held accountable to a higher standard than the guy who rights the column. He needs to stand up, say I made a mistake, and take whatever consequences he is dealt. Again, all you're doing is trying to skirt the issue by bring up all kinds of other things other people did wrong so you can try and downplay the actions of one person. If you don't think the editor was wrong in this situation than why don't you let us know why, and we can have a discussion about that.
Alum'01
posted 9/25/07 @ 9:49 AM MST
What has consistently amazed me about the GOP faithful is the absolute ignorance of the views that the majority of their leaders possess. Sure, they play nice around TV cameras and news reporters in order to not alarm suburban women (the coveted vote for both sides) around election time, but privately the agenda of the GOP leadership is a much, much more sinister set of philosophies.
The conservative vanguard in this nation is focused on creating a classist system that gives more rights to the rich, eliminates expression of philosophy outside of Christian views and represses anyone but white, privileged males. And this is especially true of the group that has a huge influence over the Colorado party. Examples include private communities with voting rights based on ownership of property value, policies that result in the continued imprisonment of the poor and minority community, and suppression of any public display that questions evangelical Christian views; not to mention continued economic and social hurdles created to keep women from advancing.
But, of course, conservative reactionaries will jump on these comments as some baseless liberal rant without factual support - such a response is expected from foot soldiers who blindly follow their generals. Believe it or not, some of us commenting here have personally and privately spoken with scores of political and religious leaders across the nation on these issues. This view is based on information culled from those discussions.
I agree that the blame should not be shifted. And by no means do I intend to shift the blame to anyone other than the editor and editorial board. But the GOP has thrust itself into a debate it really has no reason to be in. And it makes me wonder if the Colorado GOP is once again involved in campus issues, pushing the campus group on this matter. Trust me, it wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last. And it wouldn't be the first time false names were used on a petition - that is a political reality.
Colorado GOP members have not only funded student government campaigns at CSU, but have also pushed hate-filled agendas on campuses across the state with the intent on eliminating campus groups focused on women's issues, GLBT issues, minority issues, and environmental issues; basically any group that opposed their agenda. This is fact. Any denial of this fact shows an ignorance of what has happened in Colorado in the last 15 years. This extreme agenda is part of the reason why Colorado has shifted back to being controlled by the Democratic party.
The issue here is whether an editor-in-chief and his editorial board should be held accountable for the printing of two words. Think about that: punishment for printing words. We are fighting two wars right now (don't forget about Afghanistan) to rid those countries of tyrants that did just that: punishing people for printing words.
The intent of the editorial was realized: a public debate on the issues on free speech. It is unfortunate that The Collegian had to resort to such juvenile language to incite the debate, but apathy in the United States has gotten to the point that only the extreme gets noticed (look at the popularity of Fox news). Well, it got noticed.
Get over your lame and tired sensibilities to perceived profane words (which are really just collections of letters contrary to the assumed status quo view on proper language) and get on with discussing the issue on hand: the continued erosion of our constitutional rights, most notably the public's right to freedom of speech. The group of students on The Collegian Editorial Board recognized this issue, perhaps others should too.
The conservative vanguard in this nation is focused on creating a classist system that gives more rights to the rich, eliminates expression of philosophy outside of Christian views and represses anyone but white, privileged males. And this is especially true of the group that has a huge influence over the Colorado party. Examples include private communities with voting rights based on ownership of property value, policies that result in the continued imprisonment of the poor and minority community, and suppression of any public display that questions evangelical Christian views; not to mention continued economic and social hurdles created to keep women from advancing.
But, of course, conservative reactionaries will jump on these comments as some baseless liberal rant without factual support - such a response is expected from foot soldiers who blindly follow their generals. Believe it or not, some of us commenting here have personally and privately spoken with scores of political and religious leaders across the nation on these issues. This view is based on information culled from those discussions.
I agree that the blame should not be shifted. And by no means do I intend to shift the blame to anyone other than the editor and editorial board. But the GOP has thrust itself into a debate it really has no reason to be in. And it makes me wonder if the Colorado GOP is once again involved in campus issues, pushing the campus group on this matter. Trust me, it wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last. And it wouldn't be the first time false names were used on a petition - that is a political reality.
Colorado GOP members have not only funded student government campaigns at CSU, but have also pushed hate-filled agendas on campuses across the state with the intent on eliminating campus groups focused on women's issues, GLBT issues, minority issues, and environmental issues; basically any group that opposed their agenda. This is fact. Any denial of this fact shows an ignorance of what has happened in Colorado in the last 15 years. This extreme agenda is part of the reason why Colorado has shifted back to being controlled by the Democratic party.
The issue here is whether an editor-in-chief and his editorial board should be held accountable for the printing of two words. Think about that: punishment for printing words. We are fighting two wars right now (don't forget about Afghanistan) to rid those countries of tyrants that did just that: punishing people for printing words.
The intent of the editorial was realized: a public debate on the issues on free speech. It is unfortunate that The Collegian had to resort to such juvenile language to incite the debate, but apathy in the United States has gotten to the point that only the extreme gets noticed (look at the popularity of Fox news). Well, it got noticed.
Get over your lame and tired sensibilities to perceived profane words (which are really just collections of letters contrary to the assumed status quo view on proper language) and get on with discussing the issue on hand: the continued erosion of our constitutional rights, most notably the public's right to freedom of speech. The group of students on The Collegian Editorial Board recognized this issue, perhaps others should too.
Jeanne B
posted 9/25/07 @ 10:02 AM MST
This is such an embarrassment. The Collegian is supposed to be a newspaper representing the student body of Colorado State University. The editors had to know that taking this strong public political stance would immediately segregage and alienate a large percentage of the CSU student body, the alumni, and the surrounding community.
I am a 1994 graduate of CSU, a resident of Minnesota (as liberal as a state can get) and I am whole-heartedly embarrassed of the publicity and representation of my school.
This is a classic example of hate politics and immature attention grabbing. I hope the Collegian loses funding over these low tactics, which obviously had no productive value. Most of all, I hope this great Country is able to separate the Collegian from the school it purports to represent.
I am a 1994 graduate of CSU, a resident of Minnesota (as liberal as a state can get) and I am whole-heartedly embarrassed of the publicity and representation of my school.
This is a classic example of hate politics and immature attention grabbing. I hope the Collegian loses funding over these low tactics, which obviously had no productive value. Most of all, I hope this great Country is able to separate the Collegian from the school it purports to represent.
lynnstash
posted 9/25/07 @ 10:36 AM MST
Originally posted byJeanne B
This is such an embarrassment. The Collegian is supposed to be a newspaper representing the student body of Colorado State University. The editors had to know that taking this strong public political stance would immediately segregage and alienate a large percentage of the CSU student body, the alumni, and the surrounding community.
I am a 1994 graduate of CSU, a resident of Minnesota (as liberal as a state can get) and I am whole-heartedly embarrassed of the publicity and representation of my school.
This is a classic example of hate politics and immature attention grabbing. I hope the Collegian loses funding over these low tactics, which obviously had no productive value. Most of all, I hope this great Country is able to separate the Collegian from the school it purports to represent.
It's OK to be embarrased. It's OK to hate the editor. It's OK to write a letter to the editor (or e-mail a comment). But why should he have to resign?
Jeff
posted 9/27/07 @ 1:30 PM MST
Good call Jeanne. Let's just let the president strip away our civil liberties in peace and quiet. Why call attention to it at all? I like the way you think, you subdued cow.
Originally posted byJeanne B
This is such an embarrassment. The Collegian is supposed to be a newspaper representing the student body of Colorado State University. The editors had to know that taking this strong public political stance would immediately segregage and alienate a large percentage of the CSU student body, the alumni, and the surrounding community.
I am a 1994 graduate of CSU, a resident of Minnesota (as liberal as a state can get) and I am whole-heartedly embarrassed of the publicity and representation of my school.
This is a classic example of hate politics and immature attention grabbing. I hope the Collegian loses funding over these low tactics, which obviously had no productive value. Most of all, I hope this great Country is able to separate the Collegian from the school it purports to represent.
lynnstash
posted 9/25/07 @ 10:22 AM MST
It's easy to call for someone's resignation when you're not the one being censored. The whole point of the editorial was to call attention to abuses of our civil liberties, including the right to free speech and the freedom of the press. And all those calling for the editor's resignation are playing right into the hands of people like President Bush, who are doing their best to take our civil liberties away.
Peter
posted 9/25/07 @ 11:41 AM MST
Originally posted bylynnstash
It's easy to call for someone's resignation when you're not the one being censored. The whole point of the editorial was to call attention to abuses of our civil liberties, including the right to free speech and the freedom of the press. And all those calling for the editor's resignation are playing right into the hands of people like President Bush, who are doing their best to take our civil liberties away.
Censored... who was censored?
The editoral was printed and received a national reaction. Fortunately or unfortunately free speech does not mean that people have to agree with the author or speaker.
But free speech means that those who speak are ready to stand up for what they believe in and take the consequences both goood and or bad.
The editoral in question was not about Bush, the republicans, the Vice President or civil liberties.
It was about freedom of speech! Keep to the subject of the editoral and don't drag other issues outside of the editoral to try and self justify.
It is what it is, and that is all there is!
If your proud of this editoral, then stand up and say so... at the same time stand up and accept what ever the outcome happens to be.
Don't complain, get involved. There seems to be more comment and involvement from indivuals that do not agree.
From my view point there is over whelming urge on those who believe in the editoral to not be able to accept that people have the right to disagree with them, that business owners don't have the right to pull advertising, spending their monies where they choose, thinking this is not fair.
Unfortunatly... it is what it is and whats going to happen will happen.
You can cry over spilled milk all you want, and blame the spilled milk on anyone you wish, but in the end someone is going to lose.
I have a fair idea I know who that is!
Eric Pattison
posted 9/26/07 @ 8:12 AM MST
Saying F-U in a school newspaper is not a civil liberty, that's border line verbal abuse. The whole point here is not to censor someone from speaking their mind about President Bush, or anyone else for that matter, but to say F-Bush.... that's just ridiculous. Where are we in society that we have people standing up for this? What are we teaching are children when we try and protect the job of an editor who aloud those infamous words to be printed in bold letters? How can people say that by not allowing these kinds of things to be printed we are losing our first amendment right? I know as well as the next guy that the F word is spoken everywhere with little emphasis put on it, but there's a difference when it is published in a newspaper and is directed at someone... especially the President. This situation should not be a republican/democrat thing; it should be a society thing. We need to draw solid lines about what is acceptable and what isn't or we're going to step right off into the end of the world. I know that this situation is small compared to many things going on around the world, but if we don't address the small things it will be hard to stop the big things.
JON
posted 9/25/07 @ 10:37 AM MST
Hey FU*K CHELSEY PENOYER! Oh my gosh, what are you and your sissy friends going to do now? Make the country resign? oh and FU*K the Republicans at the Rocky Mountain school. What the heck is a college doing with a group of kids dedicated to a political party, let alone republicans!!! Fuc*king Fag*ots.
Tom
posted 9/25/07 @ 11:48 AM MST
Originally posted byJON
Hey FU*K CHELSEY PENOYER! Oh my gosh, what are you and your sissy friends going to do now? Make the country resign? oh and FU*K the Republicans at the Rocky Mountain school. What the heck is a college doing with a group of kids dedicated to a political party, let alone republicans!!! Fuc*king Fag*ots.
There is no need to do anything, people like you are doing it by proving that that conservatives are on the side of reason and liberals are incapable of having a discussion without resorting to obscenities. Its incredible that liberals talk about freedom of the press, freedom for this and that but every prohibitive law, such as no smoking in public, or a law to bring back the draft (Rangel(D) NY senator, or a law to force people to pay for other peoples health benefits (Clinton (D) NY Seanator), or to raise the social security tax (Obama, muslim) all are proposed by liberals. Nobody wants to listen to any of that liberal B/S anymore so liberals have to force everyone to do what they want by laws. Do you really want to stop global warming? Then do your part and stop using a car. Give up that driver's license and use a bike or walk. Stop bitching about War for Oil, by driving a car YOU created a need for oil. Take responsibility for your own actions and stop trying to force things on other people.
Joshua Covington
posted 9/25/07 @ 12:14 PM MST
I support the College Republicans in speaking out on this issue and in making their petition. They have the right to say how they feel and to disagree with the Collegian editorial, but isn't it a bit much for them to say that their organization has become the voice of CSU and the greater Fort Collins community? While it is true that many agree with them, not everyone does. People who read this article shouldn't think that the College Republicans represent a campus united against the Collegian.
Erin
posted 9/25/07 @ 12:31 PM MST
What really upsets me about this whole thing is the total self-absorbment of the editorial staff of this paper. They assume everyone will share their opinion or that everyone who reads this paper or has affiliation with CSU is young, progressive, liberal and foul-mouthed. They need to be reminded that the history of their university stretches back many years and many alumni are conservative and much older than them and find this sadly offensive coming from their alma mater. This wasn't only low-class, and poor journalism, it was rude, inconsiderate, and disprespectful...Not only to President Bush but all the people in the community who don't appreciate this type of language. Whether you like President Bush or not isn't really the issue here, it's having common decency and respect for other people.
Seemore Butts
posted 9/25/07 @ 8:31 PM MST
Originally posted byErin
What really upsets me about this whole thing is the total self-absorbment of the editorial staff of this paper. They assume everyone will share their opinion or that everyone who reads this paper or has affiliation with CSU is young, progressive, liberal and foul-mouthed. They need to be reminded that the history of their university stretches back many years and many alumni are conservative and much older than them and find this sadly offensive coming from their alma mater. This wasn't only low-class, and poor journalism, it was rude, inconsiderate, and disprespectful...Not only to President Bush but all the people in the community who don't appreciate this type of language. Whether you like President Bush or not isn't really the issue here, it's having common decency and respect for other people.
Sweety, what makes you think the editors assume the public shares their opinion? Here: I'll help you a bit with the fabulous, magical powers of that big scary book, the dictionary!!!
'op-ed
-noun
Page of a newspaper opposite the editorial page, USUALLY DEVOTED TO PERSONAL OPINION COLUMNS.'
I love it... naughty words towards "our pwecius El Pwesidente" are more insulting than wars of conquest. HAH. I can't believe you people are able to dress yourselves...
Erin
posted 9/25/07 @ 12:56 PM MST
Response to Alum '01:
Why is okay for you to insinuate that all Christian conservatives are hateful, underhanded, judgmental, controlling, racist, oppressive etc...This sounds pretty judgemental and stereotypical coming from such an open-minded liberal as yourself...For someone to say that the GOP is controlling campuses is just silly. It's a well-known fact that the majority of campuses across the nation are centers of a very liberal mindset. And why is okay to have groups specific to sexual orientation, gender, race, etc. but it's not okay for Republicans to voice their opinion as well? Or form their own groups? Or fund their own issues? And why is it okay for you to hold your beliefs but everyone else needs to "get over" what they find offensive? You expect the world to see your side of everything, you expect all these specific groups of people to be recognized and treated fairly and heard and respected, yet you don't have any respect for people who think differently than you. The GOP is just this conspiratorial, horrid, evil, mean, beast lurking around trying to hurt everyone and anyone who thinks the F word is offensive is just lame and tired. It's amazing how Republicans, Christians, conservatives constantly sit back and take verbal abuse, discriminatory treatment, hate-filled sermons that any other demographic would absolutely never put up with. Free speech. The constitution. When it fits YOUR agenda.
Why is okay for you to insinuate that all Christian conservatives are hateful, underhanded, judgmental, controlling, racist, oppressive etc...This sounds pretty judgemental and stereotypical coming from such an open-minded liberal as yourself...For someone to say that the GOP is controlling campuses is just silly. It's a well-known fact that the majority of campuses across the nation are centers of a very liberal mindset. And why is okay to have groups specific to sexual orientation, gender, race, etc. but it's not okay for Republicans to voice their opinion as well? Or form their own groups? Or fund their own issues? And why is it okay for you to hold your beliefs but everyone else needs to "get over" what they find offensive? You expect the world to see your side of everything, you expect all these specific groups of people to be recognized and treated fairly and heard and respected, yet you don't have any respect for people who think differently than you. The GOP is just this conspiratorial, horrid, evil, mean, beast lurking around trying to hurt everyone and anyone who thinks the F word is offensive is just lame and tired. It's amazing how Republicans, Christians, conservatives constantly sit back and take verbal abuse, discriminatory treatment, hate-filled sermons that any other demographic would absolutely never put up with. Free speech. The constitution. When it fits YOUR agenda.
Hugh G. Rekshin
posted 9/25/07 @ 8:45 PM MST
Originally posted byErin
Response to Alum '01:
Why is okay for you to insinuate that all Christian conservatives are hateful, underhanded, judgmental, controlling, racist, oppressive etc...
Yeah, that's pretty much been my consistent, lifelong experience with that lot of wingnuts. Usually but not always, that group is an umbrella for additional scallywag subsets - like "Soccer Moms for Cluster Bombs", "Freedom-tickles (TM) Interrogation Torture-Loving Sadists", and my favorite, the "Jesus Wants You To Make Lots Of Money And Drive An Escalade" folks. As GW would famously say while drunk and on video, "Only in America an a guy like that get a job". Rad.
Adam
posted 9/26/07 @ 1:00 PM MST
Originally posted byErin
Response to Alum '01:
Why is okay for you to insinuate that all Christian conservatives are hateful, underhanded, judgmental, controlling, racist, oppressive etc...This sounds pretty judgemental and stereotypical coming from such an open-minded liberal as yourself...For someone to say that the GOP is controlling campuses is just silly. It's a well-known fact that the majority of campuses across the nation are centers of a very liberal mindset. And why is okay to have groups specific to sexual orientation, gender, race, etc. but it's not okay for Republicans to voice their opinion as well? Or form their own groups? Or fund their own issues? And why is it okay for you to hold your beliefs but everyone else needs to "get over" what they find offensive? You expect the world to see your side of everything, you expect all these specific groups of people to be recognized and treated fairly and heard and respected, yet you don't have any respect for people who think differently than you. The GOP is just this conspiratorial, horrid, evil, mean, beast lurking around trying to hurt everyone and anyone who thinks the F word is offensive is just lame and tired. It's amazing how Republicans, Christians, conservatives constantly sit back and take verbal abuse, discriminatory treatment, hate-filled sermons that any other demographic would absolutely never put up with. Free speech. The constitution. When it fits YOUR agenda.
I'm a current student on campus. Have you been on campus lately? Why is it okay that a CSU staff member was able to write an editorial in 2006 using faulty sources to prove homosexuals are deranged individuals?
Why is it okay that a kid got beat up for being gay in Fort Collins, and that didn't generate nearly the outrage that this is generating?
Why is it okay for CSU football fans to yell the offensive word faggot and shout chants referring to teams from Utah as dirty mormons?
Why is it okay for a fire and brimstone preacher to frequent campus and address students as "whores" and "faggots" on their way to class?
If CSU is so darn liberal, then why have I witnessed all of the occurences described above during my time at this school?
David
posted 9/25/07 @ 1:19 PM MST
To the Editor and/or his supporters:
You might think you can say anything you want. But you cannot. You cannot say "Fire" in a theater. You cannot say "Bomb" on airplane. You cannot say swear words on the radio (FCC). You cannot say "I'm going to kill you" at school. And You cannot print THE "F" word in a school newspaper. In Journalism classes and Journalism School, at least in my state (Michigan), you have a class called Ethics. This is a big mistake in ethics. The goal of Journalism is to inform. Even with the editorial, you inform people of your view. The goal is not to inflame them.
Even if 70% of the country agrees with your idea, you should not and cannot publish it in a paper.
Say goodbye to your college career and your future career chances.
To the Board:
Fire him.
You might think you can say anything you want. But you cannot. You cannot say "Fire" in a theater. You cannot say "Bomb" on airplane. You cannot say swear words on the radio (FCC). You cannot say "I'm going to kill you" at school. And You cannot print THE "F" word in a school newspaper. In Journalism classes and Journalism School, at least in my state (Michigan), you have a class called Ethics. This is a big mistake in ethics. The goal of Journalism is to inform. Even with the editorial, you inform people of your view. The goal is not to inflame them.
Even if 70% of the country agrees with your idea, you should not and cannot publish it in a paper.
Say goodbye to your college career and your future career chances.
To the Board:
Fire him.
S. Rennie
posted 9/26/07 @ 10:10 AM MST
Originally posted byDavid
To the Editor and/or his supporters:
You might think you can say anything you want. But you cannot. You cannot say "Fire" in a theater. You cannot say "Bomb" on airplane. You cannot say swear words on the radio (FCC). You cannot say "I'm going to kill you" at school. And You cannot print THE "F" word in a school newspaper. In Journalism classes and Journalism School, at least in my state (Michigan), you have a class called Ethics. This is a big mistake in ethics. The goal of Journalism is to inform. Even with the editorial, you inform people of your view. The goal is not to inflame them.
Even if 70% of the country agrees with your idea, you should not and cannot publish it in a paper.
Say goodbye to your college career and your future career chances.
To the Board:
Fire him.
I'm sorry but I do believe you can say and print fuck in a school newspaper, especially when it is self-funded. Although it may not have been the best use of the editorial space, the editor was informing the community with his view, no matter how obscene it may have appeared. Newspapers across the country have printed fuck when it appears in a source's quote. There may not have been an intellectual point to the editorial but David had every right to print his two word statement.
People can disagree, stop reading the paper, pull advertising, etc...however the point remains that David was within his rights.
John
posted 9/26/07 @ 5:47 PM MST
Originally posted byDavid
To the Editor and/or his supporters:
You might think you can say anything you want. But you cannot. You cannot say "Fire" in a theater. You cannot say "Bomb" on airplane. You cannot say swear words on the radio (FCC). You cannot say "I'm going to kill you" at school. And You cannot print THE "F" word in a school newspaper. In Journalism classes and Journalism School, at least in my state (Michigan), you have a class called Ethics. This is a big mistake in ethics. The goal of Journalism is to inform. Even with the editorial, you inform people of your view. The goal is not to inflame them.
Even if 70% of the country agrees with your idea, you should not and cannot publish it in a paper.
Say goodbye to your college career and your future career chances.
To the Board:
Fire him.
And at my school, the class is called "Ethics and law." In it you learn that you cannot shout "fire!" in a crowded theater because of Supreme Court case law, you cannot say "bomb" on a plane because it could be a threat and the FCC can have airwave restrictions for a number of convoluted reasons. However, there is now law from printing "fuck" in an independent newspaper, and if you checked out the Web site of the Student Press Law Center, you'd see precisely that. Sounds like they should add some legal curriculum to your prized course.
"Even if 70% of the country agrees with your idea, you should not and cannot publish it in a paper."
Should not -- perhaps. Can not? Not damn likely. Again, learn the law. You can publish profanity. You've seen it in books, right? Magazines? Yeah. You get the point, I imagine.
Tami
posted 9/25/07 @ 1:34 PM MST
The CSU Republicans claim that this was a political ploy of the editor. Isn't their call to resignation the exact same thing but for the opposite side?
Draq Wraith
posted 9/25/07 @ 1:55 PM MST
For 5 years I have been fighting for the rights of the people of planet earth to speak their minds, to not be abused by the police, government, corporate entities by bringing news stories out in the open of atrocities committed by various governments and corporate entities. I must say the editorial that brought this story just shows me why a campus should censor it's paper. Bush had nothing to do with the tasing of the Student in FSU, that was the result of poor actions taken by FSU university police. The actions of the paper here speaks volumes and i guarantee the writer of the editorial an uneventful career in food services. No HR person in their right minds would hire such arrogance. As for the petition the passers of this too should not be on campus either. Censorship is a double edged sword and when wielded cuts all. D~W
Tom
posted 9/25/07 @ 1:57 PM MST
College Republicans striking out against free speech is what is embarrassing. I'm embarrassed to share American soil with those who would give up free speech in the political arena for fear of offense or retaliation. Stay strong, Mr. Editor.
Chuck
posted 9/27/07 @ 12:06 PM MST
The College Republicans had no right to bring political motivation to the hearing last night. I was sitting right behind the College Republicans at the meeting. What bothered me the most is that Ed Haynes had an armed bodygaurd sitting in my row. I should have spoke up and had them thrown out for carrying concealed weapons on campus. I did not feel safe and obviously I sat on the wrong side of the room.
Originally posted byTom
College Republicans striking out against free speech is what is embarrassing. I'm embarrassed to share American soil with those who would give up free speech in the political arena for fear of offense or retaliation. Stay strong, Mr. Editor.
Rob
posted 9/25/07 @ 2:29 PM MST
I am a 43-year-old from Maryland and read about this incident. While I think the point about Bush could have been more artfully made, shouldn't this newspaper be entitled to freedom of the press? So what if the "f" word is used? Is anyone who dislikes use of the word such a baby that they need to be sheltered from the word? Why can't the people who are so upset about this issue redirect their energy toward something more important -- like helping to stop the slaughter of thousands, including U.S. troops, that Bush has started?
Bill
posted 9/25/07 @ 2:37 PM MST
Maybe the College Repubs should sign up for
IRAQ at the same time.
When did College Repubs get a veto
on what other students publish.
IRAQ at the same time.
When did College Repubs get a veto
on what other students publish.
Peter
posted 9/25/07 @ 3:22 PM MST
Originally posted byBill
Maybe the College Repubs should sign up for
IRAQ at the same time.
When did College Repubs get a veto
on what other students publish.
Veto... there is NO Veto,,,it is called a petition, thats what the College Republicans are asking people to sign.
As for your comment of why dont the College Repubs sign up for Iraq ... why should they. Just because someone is not agreeing with your views.
I don't see anyone in the student body who agrees with the editorial organizing and asking fellow students to sign a petition in favor of the editor. you people just want to whine and post misinformed statements along with your This is not fair attitude.
MOM...SQUEEZE ME....I WANT TO EXHALE
Ryan
posted 9/25/07 @ 3:10 PM MST
Was the comment necessary? No. Inappropriate? Yes. Are the College Republicans at CSU who are bringing national attention to themselves and to their school over a worthless comment making a big mistake? Absolutely. We are dealing with global problems. Who cares about some noname's comment who obviously just has a limited vocabulary?. Do you really want to damage you and your university's reputation over something so meaningless? Maybe you should spend more of your energy searching for solutions to our problems instead of trying to bring down a school newspaper. People might be more likely to vote Republican. And no, I am not a left liberal.
Nick
posted 9/25/07 @ 3:41 PM MST
Originally posted byRyan
Was the comment necessary? No. Inappropriate? Yes. Are the College Republicans at CSU who are bringing national attention to themselves and to their school over a worthless comment making a big mistake? Absolutely. We are dealing with global problems. Who cares about some noname's comment who obviously just has a limited vocabulary?. Do you really want to damage you and your university's reputation over something so meaningless? Maybe you should spend more of your energy searching for solutions to our problems instead of trying to bring down a school newspaper. People might be more likely to vote Republican. And no, I am not a left liberal.
I agree with Ryan. I am reading this all over CNN about how the College Republicans are organizing a petition for the editor's resignation as well as discouraging people from doing business with advertisers in the Collegian. I think that they are doing far more to damage themselves than they are to the editor.
Pacific Northwest
posted 9/25/07 @ 3:44 PM MST
Hey CSU "young" republicans. When you graduate and decide to leave Colorado for a good job please avoid the Pacific Northwest. There are no jobs here for children with blinders on. Good Luck.
Paul
posted 9/25/07 @ 4:07 PM MST
"COLLEGE REPUBLICANS DISCOURAGING BUSINESS" Collegian had to cut the pay of employees. This is all over CNN and the major news media. I can understand going after the editor, but local businesses? Come on! I vote Republican and even this hacks me off.
Schmedlap
posted 9/25/07 @ 5:11 PM MST
My Editorial...
I've said it before and I'll say it again over and over.
IF YOU ARE A COLLEGE REPUBLICAN AND YOU SUPPORT THE POLICIES OF THIS CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR ASS OVER IN IRAQ BY NOW.
If you are not willing to go then you should be out in the streets demonstrating to end it as soon as possible.
I've said it before and I'll say it again over and over.
IF YOU ARE A COLLEGE REPUBLICAN AND YOU SUPPORT THE POLICIES OF THIS CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR ASS OVER IN IRAQ BY NOW.
If you are not willing to go then you should be out in the streets demonstrating to end it as soon as possible.
Eric Schwab
posted 9/25/07 @ 6:24 PM MST
Mr. McSwayne on Journalism 101? Say "fuck" and you're a journalist? Okay, I guess that just made me a journalist, at Mr. McSwayne's level anyway, even though I know nothing about it.
I do, however, know about "free" speech and "free"dom of the press. Mr. McSwayne is about to learn about it, too. It ain't free. Your fine example of "journalism" cost your newspaper 30 percent of its advertising revenues at last take and is going to cost you your job. Not to mention the fool you've made of yourself and your University.
I do, however, know about "free" speech and "free"dom of the press. Mr. McSwayne is about to learn about it, too. It ain't free. Your fine example of "journalism" cost your newspaper 30 percent of its advertising revenues at last take and is going to cost you your job. Not to mention the fool you've made of yourself and your University.
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Alum'01
posted 9/25/07 @ 6:02 AM MST