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Taser incident ignites debate
Abstract:
Monday's incident on the University of Florida's campus in which a student was Tasered while speaking out during an assembly has sparked debate across the country over free speech and the use of a Taser by law enforcement officials.
While many students at CSU questioned the intentions of student Andrew Meyer, who was subdued by officers after drawing over his allotted question time at Sen.John Kerry's speech, many expressed concerns about police resorting to Tasering Meyer while he allegedly resisted arrest....
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leonard J. Douglas
posted 9/23/07 @ 5:37 AM MST
Originally posted byI wouldn't worry too much about the spelling, It's those loose tongues that are disengaged from many, young brains.SpellChecker
Your headline for incident is misspelled as incendent.
You should be ashamed.
John
posted 9/21/07 @ 3:27 PM MST
What????? It's justified to taser someone because they're being disruptive? Are you serious? If 8 police officers can't "subdue" one person without using a taser they have some serious training issues there. Yeah, tasering someone sure is a great solution to a minor problem.
Scott
posted 9/22/07 @ 11:36 AM MST
Originally posted byJohn
What????? It's justified to taser someone because they're being disruptive? Are you serious? If 8 police officers can't "subdue" one person without using a taser they have some serious training issues there. Yeah, tasering someone sure is a great solution to a minor problem.
Unfortunately in the recent past sworn officers have been discouraged from using submission hold for the purpose of restraint, the Tazer while painful for a moment is shaken off fairly easily after removal of the stimulus. Could the Large Black Officer put him in a full or half nelson and walked him out? Very easily, but then people would have complained that that was to brutal. You can't not win against the nanny state, no one is ever wrong crowd.
Apply a submission hold, your a bad person, apply a tazer, your a bad person, just remember everyone is free to do everything, until it effects a progressive.
Frank
posted 9/22/07 @ 11:59 AM MST
John...You need to think a little bit. If the campus police did not taser him what were they to do? What would you be saying today if the police had went in and physically removed him without the aid of the taser? The disruptive person would no doubt today be suffering from a broken nose, black eyes, and no telling what other serious physical problems. Grow up.
Eugene Hughes
posted 9/22/07 @ 2:32 PM MST
Originally posted byJohn
What????? It's justified to taser someone because they're being disruptive? Are you serious? If 8 police officers can't "subdue" one person without using a taser they have some serious training issues there. Yeah, tasering someone sure is a great solution to a minor problem.
No...if you do not respect authority and refuse to follow a simple, legal request you deserve to be tasered. this creep had a point to make. I agree with his points on some issues, BUT the fact remains, he was being disruptive, rude and totally out of line. he was asked nicely and refused. Id tase his ass too !! Oh and I am a screaming liberal.
Larry
posted 9/22/07 @ 8:07 PM MST
Originally posted byJohn
What????? It's justified to taser someone because they're being disruptive? Are you serious? If 8 police officers can't "subdue" one person without using a taser they have some serious training issues there. Yeah, tasering someone sure is a great solution to a minor problem.
It would not have been a problem if the disruption had not occured in the first place. You would have probably critiqued the campus police if this had gone the other way, and John Kerry had been injured or worse.
The main problem here is the way of thinking that no matter what authority does it's done wrong. Questioning authority is good. Questioning authority in every instance is not. They may have reacted a bit too harsh, but if you were in charge of securing a crowd with a former presidential candidate and presiding senator, is it possible you could have over reacted? I think so.
Amy
posted 9/22/07 @ 11:46 PM MST
Originally posted byJohn
What????? It's justified to taser someone because they're being disruptive? Are you serious? If 8 police officers can't "subdue" one person without using a taser they have some serious training issues there. Yeah, tasering someone sure is a great solution to a minor problem.
How the hell would you know? Have you ever been in a similar situation? Have you ever been in a mob of people screaming "F$#% the police" and tried to "subdue" someone who wouldn't subdue? Have you ever noticed that the first people to criticize are the ones who sit around with their thumbs up their butthole and would most likely piss themselves in a similar situation rather than even register the thought to pull a taser?
Jason
posted 9/22/07 @ 10:31 AM MST
He deserved everything he got.
He was coninually asked to leave. He refused and freaked out. He was asked to calm down. He refused. He was flailing around wildly and resisting the officers. And he paid the price.
He had more than enough time to excercise his 1st Amendment Rights. He then entered the realm of disruptive behavior and resisting arrest. And when the officers got one of his arms cuffed and he continued to be disruptive, and dangerous situation existed because those cuffs could have seriously injured someone if the jackass kept on flailing his arms. The officers acted appropriately.
Perhaps college students should join us here in the adult world and start to realize that idiotic actions by anyone lead to certain results. Often those results are not pleasant. No one is at fault except the idiot himself.
He was coninually asked to leave. He refused and freaked out. He was asked to calm down. He refused. He was flailing around wildly and resisting the officers. And he paid the price.
He had more than enough time to excercise his 1st Amendment Rights. He then entered the realm of disruptive behavior and resisting arrest. And when the officers got one of his arms cuffed and he continued to be disruptive, and dangerous situation existed because those cuffs could have seriously injured someone if the jackass kept on flailing his arms. The officers acted appropriately.
Perhaps college students should join us here in the adult world and start to realize that idiotic actions by anyone lead to certain results. Often those results are not pleasant. No one is at fault except the idiot himself.
Bob
posted 9/22/07 @ 10:38 AM MST
They should have zapped him again when they got him off camera, and back in the police dept. Matter if fact I'll zap his ass if I had the chance. Freedom of speech is not for you to make an ass of your self in front of cameras so you can put in on youtube
John
posted 9/22/07 @ 11:10 AM MST
"Monday's incident on the University of Florida's campus in which a student was Tasered while speaking out during an assembly has sparked debate across the country over free speech and the use of a Taser by law enforcement officials."
This statement is a lie, he was tazered because he resisted arrest multiple times as the video clearly shows. The cops were completely justified in their actios.
This statement is a lie, he was tazered because he resisted arrest multiple times as the video clearly shows. The cops were completely justified in their actios.
Sheldon Harris
posted 9/22/07 @ 11:28 AM MST
College students keep pushing the parameters of free speech. One enrolled in college is not the final answer to the world problems. Before striking out on your own you should realize several things. College is not a place to learn how to drink, smoke dope or experiment in the use of illegal drugs just because you can. When a law enforcement officer tells you to do something learn to do it immediately and sort out the problem areas later. Law enforcement officers do not go out to pick a fight but they are authorized to protect themselves with whatever force is necessary. The young boy in question knows that now.
John
posted 9/22/07 @ 11:43 AM MST
Get the facts before you debate the issue. If you read student eyewitness accounts of what happened, you'll find that this jerk was being both *physically* disruptive as well as verbally.
The question period had ended, and the student became boisterously confrontational with the dean that was running the event and with Senator Kerry. He went so far as to start goading the police with taunts of "What are you gonna do? Arrest me?", long before you see him repeat them on the tape.
He then rushed forward to the front of the seating area to grab the microphone away from the attendant.
You'll notice in the video that is circulating, that as he asks his "questions" (which are nothing more than a conspiracy rant), the police are already standing behind him. This is because they perceived his physical aggressiveness in rushing toward the stage as a threat to Senator Kerry and positioned themselves to intervene.
If you've seen the kid's Facebook page, he is a self-described heckler; he delights in making a big scene in front of a lot of people. It is his hobby, apparently.
He went there to create a disturbance. His repeated jibes at the police about arresting him indicate that he was there for that purpose. As you can see on the tape, after he was told to leave, he wrestled with the police and had to be physically removed from the stage area.
It should not surprise anyone that a person that aggressively disrupts a public forum, goads the police, gives cause for concern for the safety of a US Senator and has a physical altercation with police is eventually subdued by non-lethal means, in this case, a taser.
The fact that I see people on these boards arguing that this is an indication of the Gestapo tactics of the Bush administration is disheartening, as if President Bush has anything to do with the actions of campus police. It's really quite pathetic.
The question period had ended, and the student became boisterously confrontational with the dean that was running the event and with Senator Kerry. He went so far as to start goading the police with taunts of "What are you gonna do? Arrest me?", long before you see him repeat them on the tape.
He then rushed forward to the front of the seating area to grab the microphone away from the attendant.
You'll notice in the video that is circulating, that as he asks his "questions" (which are nothing more than a conspiracy rant), the police are already standing behind him. This is because they perceived his physical aggressiveness in rushing toward the stage as a threat to Senator Kerry and positioned themselves to intervene.
If you've seen the kid's Facebook page, he is a self-described heckler; he delights in making a big scene in front of a lot of people. It is his hobby, apparently.
He went there to create a disturbance. His repeated jibes at the police about arresting him indicate that he was there for that purpose. As you can see on the tape, after he was told to leave, he wrestled with the police and had to be physically removed from the stage area.
It should not surprise anyone that a person that aggressively disrupts a public forum, goads the police, gives cause for concern for the safety of a US Senator and has a physical altercation with police is eventually subdued by non-lethal means, in this case, a taser.
The fact that I see people on these boards arguing that this is an indication of the Gestapo tactics of the Bush administration is disheartening, as if President Bush has anything to do with the actions of campus police. It's really quite pathetic.
Bush Fan
posted 9/22/07 @ 12:05 PM MST
That little shit head got what he deserved. So screw him
grandmother barbara
posted 9/22/07 @ 12:05 PM MST
Freedom of speech does not mean that you can or should say anything that may come into your small mind. Life alone will give you a better idea about how to express your feelings without showing your lack of a vocabulary where you fall into the lowest class of humanity by using cuss words. It not only classes you as low class but your parents also. What a unthankful group of students. Any president deserves respect because he is the president of the greatest country in the history of this world. By the way we are only 250 years old and still are greater than countries that are 1000s of years old. We are the one that goes to help countries with what ever they need even when they say that they don't like us. Oh yes, since George Bush became President three countries that had heads that were not as friendly to us, have now changed heads to ones that are very friendly, Germany, France and Canada. I am glad that my two sons who are in their 40s have never shown such lack of class!!
Jörg Reimers
posted 9/23/07 @ 9:52 AM MST
Originally posted bygrandmother barbara
Freedom of speech does not mean that you can or should say anything that may come into your small mind. Life alone will give you a better idea about how to express your feelings without showing your lack of a vocabulary where you fall into the lowest class of humanity by using cuss words. It not only classes you as low class but your parents also. What a unthankful group of students. Any president deserves respect because he is the president of the greatest country in the history of this world. By the way we are only 250 years old and still are greater than countries that are 1000s of years old. We are the one that goes to help countries with what ever they need even when they say that they don't like us. Oh yes, since George Bush became President three countries that had heads that were not as friendly to us, have now changed heads to ones that are very friendly, Germany, France and Canada. I am glad that my two sons who are in their 40s have never shown such lack of class!!
Dear grandmother barbara,
thank you for expressing your opinion on the use of informal language and on your home the USA.
The use of tasers in the USA has also been reported international. Here in Germany a newsstation called N24 made a report about it.
Please have a look at the Website n24.de.
You will find the report in the middle of the page if you sroll down.
It is labeled n24 video Elektro-Schocker.
If you cannot find it or understand the language send your email address to joergrmrs@gmx.de.
My opinion is that american policemen are keen on using their tasers, because they "cannot" kill possible innocent persons.
Why is it that way?
Maybe because the real bad guys use automatic weapons and by using the taser the policemen can avoid getting shot themselves.
Wouldn't it be better to give them real guns?
Here in Germany every policeman is outfittet with a pistol also used in the James Bond movies.
And they are being respected.
Dear grandmother barbara you also wrote, that every president deserves respect just because he is the president of the worlds greatest country.
I do neither think that one should always respect a person just because of his office nor do I think that any country is the worlds greatest country.
In Germany we made those mistakes from 1933 to 1945. And everybody knows what happend.
Back to Mr. Bush:
Why should I respect a person that is unable to get the FBI going when he is informed by the CIA about a possible terror attack six weeks before 9/11/2001?
Why should I respect a person that is unable to respond to a mayor katastrophe like Kathrina?
Why should I respect a person that relegalizes automatic weapons but is unable to solve american social problems?
And most of all why should I respect a man that makes other countries believe his own nation is the most arrogant and leads it into a war using lies.
At the moment about 3.700 GIs paid with there live for this and more than 10.000 will miss a limb for the rest of there life.
There are 191 other nations in the world and when it comes to things like saving the atmosphere, banning landmines, controlling the sale of conventional weapons or suing war criminals the USA is always the nation that does not take part.
That sucks.
Last thing I would like to comment on is that the USA is always the country that is helping others others, even if they dont like the USA.
I think this is not the whole truth.
Okay. There were for example carepackages after the second world war and help for the victims of an earthquake in Iran.
But there was also the overthrowing of Salvador Allende, the democratic ellected president of Chile an 09/11/1971 and the installing of the Shah in Persia in 1955. Persia is now know as Iran.
And please don't forget that the worlds best army needs a helping hand of Germanys Bundeswehr in Afghanistan and other areas of the world.
As there are: Bosnia and Herzegowina (EUFOR), Kosovo (KFOR), Georgia (UNOMIG), Afghanistan / Usbekistan(UNAMA and ISAF), Lebanon (UNIFIL),
Sudan (UNMIS), Horn of Afrika (OEF - yes: Operation Enduring Freedom), Aethiophia and Eritheria (UNMEE) and finally Democratic Republik of Kongo (EUSEC).
If you want to discuss with me please use my email Address above.
Yours sincerely,
Joerg Reimers
NSC
posted 9/22/07 @ 12:36 PM MST
First of all I want to commend the Editors of the Collegian for being so smart by using the "F" word. We know it always adds SOOOOOO much to a debate to use curse words. I know it always makes me want to respect the opinion of the person using them.
That's sarcasm, editors. Look it up in the "non-vulgar" section of a dictionary.
Cursing is not "pushing the boundaries of free speech." You have free speech. What it is doing is pushing, no crossing,the line of civil discourse and politeness which is something the left knows little of now.
You don't impress anyone. You don't shock anyone. What you do is bore everyone with such childish behavior and you embarrass your college and your families.
I am sure your parents are so proud.
As to the use of the taser. The taser is a NON-LETHAL weapon developed to subdue subjects so that both the subject and the officers are not injured. It does no lasting damage and is a far better alternative than using batons or putting the person in a choke hold or even piling on him. A few shocks is not torture - or even that damn disturbing. The guy walked away laughing.
Finally, if you have to INVENT a police state - like this guy did - it certainly means you don't live in one.
That's sarcasm, editors. Look it up in the "non-vulgar" section of a dictionary.
Cursing is not "pushing the boundaries of free speech." You have free speech. What it is doing is pushing, no crossing,the line of civil discourse and politeness which is something the left knows little of now.
You don't impress anyone. You don't shock anyone. What you do is bore everyone with such childish behavior and you embarrass your college and your families.
I am sure your parents are so proud.
As to the use of the taser. The taser is a NON-LETHAL weapon developed to subdue subjects so that both the subject and the officers are not injured. It does no lasting damage and is a far better alternative than using batons or putting the person in a choke hold or even piling on him. A few shocks is not torture - or even that damn disturbing. The guy walked away laughing.
Finally, if you have to INVENT a police state - like this guy did - it certainly means you don't live in one.
Mark
posted 9/22/07 @ 12:46 PM MST
What in the world is going on with these kids today. They have no life experience, no common sense, and if they had to think for themselves they'd implode. This is what happens when they take discipline and respect out of the schools. Period!
Officer Malarkey
posted 9/22/07 @ 2:07 PM MST
Where I come from we would have given him the old "wooden shampoo" - might knock some sense into his thick brain.
Millard
posted 9/22/07 @ 3:00 PM MST
Free speach does not mean you have the right to disrupt or shout down a scheduled speaker at an assembly. That is the antithesis of allowing for free speach. Why is this any different than a professor's right to give his lecture in a classroom without being shouted down by one student? The disrupter could have saved it for outside the assembly or Q & A time. It's interesting that everything perceived as negative that occurs in America is blamed on Bush by the Bush Haters. In this case, the local police were protecting the rights of a politician (John Kerry) who is on the other side of the political fence from Bush. I didn't realize that Bush controls the local police forces in our country and tells them how to act in these situations. Must be another right-wing conspiracy afoot! If you are going to write editorials in a newspaper, you might apply some logic and not disregard the facts of the situation before you spew out your opinion. I suppose if you hate Bush (or any other politician) enough, you blindly disregard facts and logic or other viewpoints and force your bizarre opinion on everyone else. One thing you will not accomplish, is to convince anyone to take you or or opinion seriously.
Ralphie the Buff
posted 9/22/07 @ 3:43 PM MST
You guys at CSU look like fucktards..lmao, I can't believe it wasn't CU playing the village idiot this time. WTF does Bush have to do with Campus Cops at a liberal university. The op/ed headline should have been "FUCK KERRY!",because he did not even defend the guy right there on the spot.... and you DIPSHITS think Kerry would defend the US...LOL! Why don't you "Ram" that up your bleeding arse.
Jason W
posted 9/22/07 @ 4:24 PM MST
I urge everyone to view ALL of the COMPLETE UNCUT videos posted on the net about the Meyers incident. Don't rush to condemn police for this. They deal with crazed people every day that are (or appear)to be on drugs or are uncontrollable. If they had broken his bones, then folks would have asked why he was not tasered. Meyers' uncontrolled rant was a play to cameras and any action taken by police would have been seen as 'force' (he planned it that way). He played his cards, failed to comply so he was tasered to obtain compliance. Everyone who uses a taser has been zapped by the device themselves so they know its effectiveness. Regardless of your feelings, I employ each of your to read all the reports before passing judgment either way. Secondly, Meyers also failed to identify himself once in custody and carried no ID with him to the event. Failure to provide true information to police once in custody is against the law in Florida. His disruptive behavior actually started way before while he was in line waiting with others to ask questions. He was disruptive enough for administrators to contact police and have them come to the line. Meyers shoved his way past others waiting ,(after questions were stopped), in line and grabbed the microphone and started his rant. Everything that happened to him was by his own actions. If he didn't want to get tasered after being warned he would be, he should have shut up, stopped fighting and placed his hands behind his back. This incident has nothing to do with free speech. It is about improper behavior.
Spencer
posted 9/22/07 @ 5:06 PM MST
The Florida student obviously has the right to say anything he wants. However, he does not have the right to say anything he wants in any place. When he was asked to leave the venue by the hosts and became combative, it was no longer a "free speech" issue. The student was hit with the taser because he refused arrest, fought police and became a danger to all those in the vicinity.
It's intersting how liberals are such advocates of free speech when they agree with the speech but are intent to shout down those with whom they disagree (i.e. Columbia University students/Minuteman Project).
It's intersting how liberals are such advocates of free speech when they agree with the speech but are intent to shout down those with whom they disagree (i.e. Columbia University students/Minuteman Project).
Jon
posted 9/22/07 @ 5:26 PM MST
F*** Bush! Never give in, never surrender. This country has been hijacked for the last seven years. We need more young people to stand up and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH." So you lose advertising revenue...BFD!!! You maintain your integrity and retain your soul! WWJD? He'd do the exact same thing!!!
william horace
posted 9/22/07 @ 5:48 PM MST
F word is not appropriate how immature. i expect boycotts... & F*** President Pen.
Grandpa Ed
posted 9/22/07 @ 6:08 PM MST
There are hundreds of very satisfying words in the English language to express displeasure without debasing yourself and stooping to gutter language. Buy a good dictionary. Stop cutting ethics and English classes. Grow UP! Hear that swishing sound? That's you future circling the drain. An apology might help excuse your gross lack of journalistic skills and immaturity.
Sisyphus39
posted 9/22/07 @ 6:20 PM MST
IT is fervently to be hoped that your editorial staff will build on that withdrawal of advertising by people or businesses who don't see the big picture or can't tolerate dissent!
Please -- for the sake of ALL Americans -- keep this story ALIVE so that others will awaken to the reality!
The attempt by MSM to spin this story is transparent. I've heard from a trusted cousin that someone on FOX news even announced that the book in his hands was the Qur'an!
Please do what you can to stop the lies and the modification of truth AND our vocabulary!
I am proud of you -- and I'm past college age and not fond of "badwords." I am even less fond of bad behavior on the part of government!
Please -- for the sake of ALL Americans -- keep this story ALIVE so that others will awaken to the reality!
The attempt by MSM to spin this story is transparent. I've heard from a trusted cousin that someone on FOX news even announced that the book in his hands was the Qur'an!
Please do what you can to stop the lies and the modification of truth AND our vocabulary!
I am proud of you -- and I'm past college age and not fond of "badwords." I am even less fond of bad behavior on the part of government!
L. Rider
posted 9/22/07 @ 6:38 PM MST
Tasers aren't toys. They may be touted as a less-than-lethal alternative to other types of force, but make no mistake, tasers have killed people in the past, and will kill others in the future. The police need to be more restrained in their use of tasers, and policies across the US need to be looked at carefully to avoid an unfortunate death. I agree, this guy was a first class a-hole, but some of these devices can pump as much as 150KV through your body, potentially sending someone into cardiac arrest. Let's be reasonable. Police officers should not be tasing at will, especially under circumstances where there are more than enough officers present to restrain someone physically.
Amy
posted 9/23/07 @ 12:11 AM MST
Originally posted byL. Rider
Tasers aren't toys. They may be touted as a less-than-lethal alternative to other types of force, but make no mistake, tasers have killed people in the past, and will kill others in the future. The police need to be more restrained in their use of tasers, and policies across the US need to be looked at carefully to avoid an unfortunate death. I agree, this guy was a first class a-hole, but some of these devices can pump as much as 150KV through your body, potentially sending someone into cardiac arrest. Let's be reasonable. Police officers should not be tasing at will, especially under circumstances where there are more than enough officers present to restrain someone physically.
Take a look at a few REAL studies and get all the information before you take a few lines out of a "news"paper as factual. Tasers do not kill people. I've been shot by one, have you? Believe me, I've read and studied a lot. Druggies pumped full of narcotics have been shot with tasers - and DIED. It most assuredly was not BECAUSE of the taser - you might look to the more-than-deadly levels of drugs in their about-to-shut-down nervous systems.
The first thing this editorial staff prints after that kind of incident is "Man shot with taser dies," not "Man experiencing PCP overdose attacks police officer, is shot with taser and later dies."
It is horrific how "yellow" journalism has become.
Goodman Green
posted 9/22/07 @ 6:43 PM MST
John Kerry is a co-conspirator and deserves to be confronted. He plays a small part in a larger plan to incrementally dumb us down and sell us out. "Didn't you want to be President?" was likely the most relevant question he was asked during the forum. Whether this student planned to post the confrontation on youtube or not is not the point, the point is that if you confront these people they will try to silence you.
Kerry has been confronted, Bush has been confronted, McCain, Greenspan, Rockefeller, Giuliani, and others have all been confronted. The confrontations will continue and escalate until they have been fully exposed and brought to justice.
Those of you who think it wise to defend the actions of these people, may you get what you want.
Kerry has been confronted, Bush has been confronted, McCain, Greenspan, Rockefeller, Giuliani, and others have all been confronted. The confrontations will continue and escalate until they have been fully exposed and brought to justice.
Those of you who think it wise to defend the actions of these people, may you get what you want.
Chaz
posted 9/22/07 @ 7:09 PM MST
Now I guess we will have some Kook running around doing crazy things on this campus.Jeez!!!
Goodman Green
posted 9/22/07 @ 7:18 PM MST
Originally posted byChaz
Now I guess we will have some Kook running around doing crazy things on this campus.Jeez!!!
Maybe I should clarify, by 'escalate' I mean that more and more people will exercise their First Amendment right to confront and expose these people for their crimes. We use words, the authoritarians use violence.
Dan Ferrell
posted 9/22/07 @ 8:49 PM MST
How does Bush even come in to play with this whole ordeal? John Kerry was speaking. Your liberal school like so many others just want anything so you can show your disrespect for the highest office of the country. My prayer is that you too someday will come to your senses and realize what an idiot you were in those days and get back on the right track. One of these days you might have a family and hopefully you will have a little more sense. So, my suggestion at this time in your life is you better start thinking about the future and start putting your childish ways behind you.
john demirjian
posted 9/23/07 @ 12:04 AM MST
Why bother to taser him and make it such a grey area? Why not instead pull out your Glock and shoot him in the head between the eyes? Then there's no question that the government is out of control.
Bill Highfield
posted 9/23/07 @ 4:34 AM MST
One thing that many people forget about FREE SPEECH rights. You have a right to FREE SPEECH. You also have to accept the responsibility for what you say. So while the Constitution protects my right to call my boss an asshole, it does not mean that he can't fire me for doing so. Freedom of speech DOES NOT MEAN freedom from responsibility for what you say.
The editors of the newspaper who published the F*** BUSH editorial will discover this as advertising revenue disappears. A student who exercises his freedom of speech and then later gets expelled will learn the same.
It would be nice if professors taught students that small fact.
The editors of the newspaper who published the F*** BUSH editorial will discover this as advertising revenue disappears. A student who exercises his freedom of speech and then later gets expelled will learn the same.
It would be nice if professors taught students that small fact.
Dana
posted 9/23/07 @ 9:19 AM MST
"Don't taz me dood!" I thought that was kinda funny, he brought that on himself. Everyone that wanted to speak was told from the start, they had a time limit. He refused to abide by the rules and if he hadn't of acted like a bafoone perhaps he could have talked someone else into letting him have another couple of minutes. But NOOoooo he had to demand a right to take someone else's right to speak by taking more than what was alloted.
And "John", with fifteen years in law enforcement, having made 100s of arrests involving gang members, child molesters to rapists, One of my own first rules is you avoid a wrestling match. Even people who have never committed a serious crime can react in such bazzar and out of character ways when being arrested. There is always a gun involved anytime a lawenforcement officer is making an arrest and if to avoid a wrestling match I had the choice of spraying someone or tasering them in order to get them under control and to an area where they could be handled better then so be it. I don't think that student would have tried to go after one of the officer's weapon to prevent being arrested, but how would it have been percieved if he did and got lucky, took out an officer's weapon and started shooting. Would be of the same mind set? He could have said " Oh fine" and walked away but he didn't he failed to follow instructions because of his own personal agenda and suffered the repercussive results.
And "John", with fifteen years in law enforcement, having made 100s of arrests involving gang members, child molesters to rapists, One of my own first rules is you avoid a wrestling match. Even people who have never committed a serious crime can react in such bazzar and out of character ways when being arrested. There is always a gun involved anytime a lawenforcement officer is making an arrest and if to avoid a wrestling match I had the choice of spraying someone or tasering them in order to get them under control and to an area where they could be handled better then so be it. I don't think that student would have tried to go after one of the officer's weapon to prevent being arrested, but how would it have been percieved if he did and got lucky, took out an officer's weapon and started shooting. Would be of the same mind set? He could have said " Oh fine" and walked away but he didn't he failed to follow instructions because of his own personal agenda and suffered the repercussive results.
Roadking
posted 9/23/07 @ 12:18 PM MST
From other sources, I've found that the heckler in question is a semi-professional trickster (of the liberal/socialist kind) who was out to deliberately disrupt the talk. However, considering the actions of security in other talks of this type, it's not at all surprising just how tolerant our liberal/socialist "representatives" are of free speach on campus. It's free just as long as the questioner agrees with the speaker. Anything else will not be tolerated.
Ken Ross
posted 9/23/07 @ 12:36 PM MST
Charles Frankel's "The Morality of Civil Disobedience" should be required reading: "... Strong moral conviction is not all that is required to turn breaking the law into service to society." Whether right or wrong, when one encourages others to accept their belief through civil disobedience, they must also accept, that others may just as well have strong moral convictions that the law is correct, and therefore accept the consequences of the law which is broken. Speach is free, but civil disobedience requires responsibility. Nothing of value is gained without risk.
Sue Miller
posted 9/23/07 @ 4:53 PM MST
REMEMBER that john kerry ran for the highest public office and probably won it, but immediately backed away from a confrontation that would involve counting votes.
flaccid, cowardly kerry -- who was THISCLOSE to being president (scary, now, huh??) should have SUPPORTED this student's right to speak in a public forum, instead of allowing someone who asked an 'uncomfortable 'question to be dragged away and tortured. kerry had actually started to answer his (very pertinent questions) but did not have to continue because the 'police' dragged Andrew off...
(btw, kerry IS is a member of 'skull & bones'... which automatically makes kerry a cooperative servant/beneficiary of the nwo... if you don't understand the full implications of what that means-- like Andrew obviously understands-- google 'illuminati', and see why Andrew had to be silenced...')
what is particularly appalling and alarming was the students who APPLAUDED and CHEERED as their fellow student was dragged from the microphone and roughed up. as if his questions were seen as overly rude or bothersome, and he 'got what he deserved' as appropriate punishment for the 'disruption' he was causing...
the seeds of publick skooling and it's emphasis on 'consensus-building' and making everyone 'feel comfortable by ensuring a non-confrontational setting' are starting to bear evil fruit... just wait till tHey start taking people away in public and broad daylight!
(whoops, tHey just DID!)
also deeply disturbing is the role of the campus security force in this! it seemed as if the 'police' that dragged and tasered the (tuition-paying "customer" in a sense!!) student were the private campus security guards. traditionally-- till now!!!-- private campus security guards have served to protect students from each other, outsiders and themselves, and raise some revenue via parking tickets, and help insulate students -- where possible -- from the official 'outside' town police force...
or maybe the attacking group was some unholy combination of private and public police...
one of the pig-faced 'uniforms' kneeling on Meyer has an almost orgasmic grin on his peon face as Meyer was screaming from the taser.
parents paying sky-high tuition, room-and-board and fees for their precious children --and students who are working hard to put themselves through college-- should take notice and rise up in OUTRAGE over this abrupt switch in priorities-- the campus police that YOU pay for are no longer there to PROTECT you and your children, now they are power-mad snitches-with-deadly-weapons enforcing the nwo official status quo... and university is no longer a place to engage in free speech and open dialogue, it is a mind-control conditioning apparatus.
Cassandra
flaccid, cowardly kerry -- who was THISCLOSE to being president (scary, now, huh??) should have SUPPORTED this student's right to speak in a public forum, instead of allowing someone who asked an 'uncomfortable 'question to be dragged away and tortured. kerry had actually started to answer his (very pertinent questions) but did not have to continue because the 'police' dragged Andrew off...
(btw, kerry IS is a member of 'skull & bones'... which automatically makes kerry a cooperative servant/beneficiary of the nwo... if you don't understand the full implications of what that means-- like Andrew obviously understands-- google 'illuminati', and see why Andrew had to be silenced...')
what is particularly appalling and alarming was the students who APPLAUDED and CHEERED as their fellow student was dragged from the microphone and roughed up. as if his questions were seen as overly rude or bothersome, and he 'got what he deserved' as appropriate punishment for the 'disruption' he was causing...
the seeds of publick skooling and it's emphasis on 'consensus-building' and making everyone 'feel comfortable by ensuring a non-confrontational setting' are starting to bear evil fruit... just wait till tHey start taking people away in public and broad daylight!
(whoops, tHey just DID!)
also deeply disturbing is the role of the campus security force in this! it seemed as if the 'police' that dragged and tasered the (tuition-paying "customer" in a sense!!) student were the private campus security guards. traditionally-- till now!!!-- private campus security guards have served to protect students from each other, outsiders and themselves, and raise some revenue via parking tickets, and help insulate students -- where possible -- from the official 'outside' town police force...
or maybe the attacking group was some unholy combination of private and public police...
one of the pig-faced 'uniforms' kneeling on Meyer has an almost orgasmic grin on his peon face as Meyer was screaming from the taser.
parents paying sky-high tuition, room-and-board and fees for their precious children --and students who are working hard to put themselves through college-- should take notice and rise up in OUTRAGE over this abrupt switch in priorities-- the campus police that YOU pay for are no longer there to PROTECT you and your children, now they are power-mad snitches-with-deadly-weapons enforcing the nwo official status quo... and university is no longer a place to engage in free speech and open dialogue, it is a mind-control conditioning apparatus.
Cassandra
Tony
posted 9/23/07 @ 5:45 PM MST
The use of the "f-bomb" indicates that the university level education is now worthless. You have not gained wisdom or knowledge by attending. Bush had nothing to do with the tasering of the student. You will find that a school official ( a member of ACCENT) indicated that the police should remove the speaker. The school official violated the guys right to free speech, but he left is good at that.
You ( your paper and its editorial staff ) have shown a great lack of the understanding of both reporting or holding an informed opinion. Like many democrats, Ignorant.
Please put the crayons back in the box before you leave.
You ( your paper and its editorial staff ) have shown a great lack of the understanding of both reporting or holding an informed opinion. Like many democrats, Ignorant.
Please put the crayons back in the box before you leave.
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SpellChecker
posted 9/21/07 @ 9:43 AM MST
You should be ashamed.