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Collegian editorial sparks national uproar
Abstract:
After a Friday editorial on page four in the Collegian that said "Taser this … F---BUSH" sparked national uproar and controversy regarding free speech, Editor in Chief J. David McSwane will go before CSU's Board of Student Communications (BSC) Tuesday to defend his job.The expletive was spelled out about twice the size of a headline....
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Robert
posted 9/24/07 @ 7:16 PM MST
I could care less about Mr. McSwane's (editor-in-chief of the Collegian) opinion of President Bush, but I do care about the profanity he chooses to use that my children see on the news. Shame on this young student.
Susan Smith
posted 9/24/07 @ 12:30 AM MST
Nick- WELL SAID. McSwane has caused a lot of hurt and annoyance for many people affiliated with CSU. I am glad you keep up with what is going on at CSU and it is greatly disappointing that McSwane thinks it is appropriate to publish such vulgarity.
THANK YOU NICK PARADISE!!
THANK YOU NICK PARADISE!!
Renee Markowski
posted 9/24/07 @ 1:20 AM MST
It's a real shame that good money is being wasted on educating the student editors of the Collegian, given that they lack both creativity and common sense.
In the first place, they didn't invent the term. There's nothing original about it. The first time I ever heard it used was in relation to Lyndon Johnson over 40 years ago and people were equally insulted by it back then.
And to defend a bad decision based on some kind of mistaken belief that it somehow represents some glorious affirmation and support for First Amendment rights is an insult to anyone who has ever used intelligence, logic and common sense to voice a defense of those rights.
Amongst all the great orators, journalists, politicians and editorials which have left lasting written legacies and impassioned discourse concerning Freedom Of Speech, I'm afraid the Collegian editors have contributed nothing more than showing themselves to be infantile and insulting.
Rather than contribute something even remotely worthy in the extremely long tradition of great words, speeches and print in support of an important Right, they insult it with grade school vulgarity.
They have made no temporary, lasting or original contribution to Freedom of Speech. They used precious resources to make themselves look childish and shame a fine institution. They've contributed nothing.
McSwane doesn't have guts. He has a lack of maturity and a bigger lack of ideas. He should resign.
Renee Markowski
In the first place, they didn't invent the term. There's nothing original about it. The first time I ever heard it used was in relation to Lyndon Johnson over 40 years ago and people were equally insulted by it back then.
And to defend a bad decision based on some kind of mistaken belief that it somehow represents some glorious affirmation and support for First Amendment rights is an insult to anyone who has ever used intelligence, logic and common sense to voice a defense of those rights.
Amongst all the great orators, journalists, politicians and editorials which have left lasting written legacies and impassioned discourse concerning Freedom Of Speech, I'm afraid the Collegian editors have contributed nothing more than showing themselves to be infantile and insulting.
Rather than contribute something even remotely worthy in the extremely long tradition of great words, speeches and print in support of an important Right, they insult it with grade school vulgarity.
They have made no temporary, lasting or original contribution to Freedom of Speech. They used precious resources to make themselves look childish and shame a fine institution. They've contributed nothing.
McSwane doesn't have guts. He has a lack of maturity and a bigger lack of ideas. He should resign.
Renee Markowski
Scott
posted 9/24/07 @ 1:24 AM MST
KEEP YOUR PERSONAL FEELINGS OUT OF YOUR REPORTING!
Linda G
posted 9/24/07 @ 5:44 AM MST
Originally posted byScott
KEEP YOUR PERSONAL FEELINGS OUT OF YOUR REPORTING!
AN EDITORIAL IS PERSONAL FEELINGS STUPID! I LOVE THE HEADLINE. SO TRUE
Douglas Davis
posted 9/24/07 @ 5:02 PM MST
Originally posted byScott
KEEP YOUR PERSONAL FEELINGS OUT OF YOUR REPORTING!
Ignorance in immaturity is expected from children.
Individuals in a collage journalism class would be expected to be mature. Clearly this is not the case. To refer to this as "Freedom of Speech" is a diversion. It was not President Bush's security detail that "tazerd" this young man, but rather John Carry's . . . a Democrat. The headline should have been "F--- Carry!" Reporting it this way would have required journalistic integrity. . something, evidently, none of this staff & class possessed.
Transference is a common emotional and behavioral condition of children. It is where a child blames other for the things they have done themselves. A good parent will not allow this to continue. Rather require the child to take responsibility for there own actions. Transference is becoming a disorder of liberals too. Blaming all others for what they themselves have done wrong.
It is evident that the parents of these children (or would be journalist) have failed them. Also the education system and society as a whole have failed them. For a post adolescent to transfer guilt from the responsible party to someone else is a clear indication of immaturity.
F--- Anybody is an immature statement to be sure. The fact that the "journalist" who wrote it has freedom of speech is just that, a fact, guaranteed in the constitution. These individuals are either very immature, practicing bad journalism or more likely practicing YELLOW Journalism. Defined as, the action of placing blame on others by reporting or suggesting things that are not the facts, in an effort to shift that blame and cause negative opinion.
As an "editorial" no facts are required . . . and none conveyed . . . Just immaturity and Yellow Journalism.
Joe Mama
posted 9/24/07 @ 10:18 PM MST
Originally posted byScott
KEEP YOUR PERSONAL FEELINGS OUT OF YOUR REPORTING!
Hey Linda,
Aren't you the Linda that I fucked in the ass last weekend? I'm sure it was you! You really liked the way I put my one-eyed trouser snake into your brown star, didn't ya?
The way you moaned was rather exciting. And then you sucked me off and lapped up all my jizz. You sure are a hungry gal!
Harvard Grad
posted 9/25/07 @ 9:31 AM MST
Originally posted byScott
KEEP YOUR PERSONAL FEELINGS OUT OF YOUR REPORTING!
It is called an editorial, you twit. Editorials are opinions of the editor, not impartial reports on newsworthy items. Is CSU a community college?
Paul
posted 9/24/07 @ 1:42 AM MST
Collegian, you've conditioned me to expect so little from you already. Inane articles about the dangers of sleep deprivation, or meningitis in the residence halls, eating disorders, binge drinking, or some other nonsense rehashed year after year. As the 124th ranked national university, I had hoped CSU could only go up. Now I'm not so sure.
- Embarrassed CSU graduate
- Embarrassed CSU graduate
Michael
posted 9/24/07 @ 6:11 AM MST
Originally posted byPaul
Collegian, you've conditioned me to expect so little from you already. Inane articles about the dangers of sleep deprivation, or meningitis in the residence halls, eating disorders, binge drinking, or some other nonsense rehashed year after year. As the 124th ranked national university, I had hoped CSU could only go up. Now I'm not so sure.
- Embarrassed CSU graduate
While you might be embarrassed, I've never been quite so pleased since I left CSU. Good for the editorial board.
Zack Girson
posted 9/24/07 @ 2:09 AM MST
"We have sections of our student plaza dedicated to this idea."
You must be new to this country. Let me be the first to say, "Welcome!" However, before you get too settled in, I feel compelled to remind you that CSU is in fact a public institution and, as such, the campus is subject to the first Amendment.
"Freedom of speech is exercised in the news, in the classrooms, in business, in public, everywhere... everyday!"
Once again, Welcome to the United States! Unfortunately, you must not have access to our wonderful independent media. Here are some things you've missed (don't worry, there are many more):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/feature.html
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/31266prs20070809.html
"That way I can feel a lot better when someone outside of CSU asks me what this whole thing is about."
It's a good thing too. I'd hate for you to look bad at the hands of an institution who's students are among the few to not be sucked into the fear-making propaganda that is our nation. Then again, freedom of speech is always acceptable when the content is what people want to hear. Don't worry though, those of us who aren't too frightened to step out of line will defend the freedoms you denounce with your shallow rhetoric.
"CSU is full of intelligent students and by not owning up to your ignorance you are disregarding this simple fact!"
Apparently you are not one of these students you are speaking so highly of; Students intelligent enough to think critically about this piece of journalism, its implications, its meaning and to defend their ideas (including the students who wrote it). If you actually did ever graduate from CSU, I might suggest getting your money back. Even from this very sentence I would advise you to return and retake Logic and Critical Thinking...not that your words contain any fallacies...
I think it would quite interesting to run a social experiment cross referencing those who would STILL vote for Bush with those who denounce McSwane's actions or even with those who applaud the tasering of Andrew Meyer at the University of Florida. I would predict a positive correlation between them. There seems to be an albeit disturbing pattern between nescience and zealotry in this country.
I for one am very much proud to be a part of an institution who's students are not afraid to push the boundaries. It's interesting how many people defend the freedom to speak only when it represents their interests. We all know, the Collegian could print pictures of dead Iraqi civilians and it would be deemed as intriguing journalism. But God forbid someone should print the F-word. Quick, pull the advertisements!
You must be new to this country. Let me be the first to say, "Welcome!" However, before you get too settled in, I feel compelled to remind you that CSU is in fact a public institution and, as such, the campus is subject to the first Amendment.
"Freedom of speech is exercised in the news, in the classrooms, in business, in public, everywhere... everyday!"
Once again, Welcome to the United States! Unfortunately, you must not have access to our wonderful independent media. Here are some things you've missed (don't worry, there are many more):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/feature.html
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/31266prs20070809.html
"That way I can feel a lot better when someone outside of CSU asks me what this whole thing is about."
It's a good thing too. I'd hate for you to look bad at the hands of an institution who's students are among the few to not be sucked into the fear-making propaganda that is our nation. Then again, freedom of speech is always acceptable when the content is what people want to hear. Don't worry though, those of us who aren't too frightened to step out of line will defend the freedoms you denounce with your shallow rhetoric.
"CSU is full of intelligent students and by not owning up to your ignorance you are disregarding this simple fact!"
Apparently you are not one of these students you are speaking so highly of; Students intelligent enough to think critically about this piece of journalism, its implications, its meaning and to defend their ideas (including the students who wrote it). If you actually did ever graduate from CSU, I might suggest getting your money back. Even from this very sentence I would advise you to return and retake Logic and Critical Thinking...not that your words contain any fallacies...
I think it would quite interesting to run a social experiment cross referencing those who would STILL vote for Bush with those who denounce McSwane's actions or even with those who applaud the tasering of Andrew Meyer at the University of Florida. I would predict a positive correlation between them. There seems to be an albeit disturbing pattern between nescience and zealotry in this country.
I for one am very much proud to be a part of an institution who's students are not afraid to push the boundaries. It's interesting how many people defend the freedom to speak only when it represents their interests. We all know, the Collegian could print pictures of dead Iraqi civilians and it would be deemed as intriguing journalism. But God forbid someone should print the F-word. Quick, pull the advertisements!
Dave Collins
posted 9/24/07 @ 7:41 AM MST
Freedom comes with great responsibility. Intelligent people have the responsiblity to make their points with out abusing the freedom that this great country has earned for them.
At the end of the day, people who can't make their point without vulgarity and crassness are really, by most thinking people, taken very seriously.
Whether you like it or not, that is a fact.
At the end of the day, people who can't make their point without vulgarity and crassness are really, by most thinking people, taken very seriously.
Whether you like it or not, that is a fact.
Originally posted byZack Girson
"We have sections of our student plaza dedicated to this idea."
You must be new to this country. Let me be the first to say, "Welcome!" However, before you get too settled in, I feel compelled to remind you that CSU is in fact a public institution and, as such, the campus is subject to the first Amendment.
"Freedom of speech is exercised in the news, in the classrooms, in business, in public, everywhere... everyday!"
Once again, Welcome to the United States! Unfortunately, you must not have access to our wonderful independent media. Here are some things you've missed (don't worry, there are many more):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/feature.html
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/31266prs20070809.html
"That way I can feel a lot better when someone outside of CSU asks me what this whole thing is about."
It's a good thing too. I'd hate for you to look bad at the hands of an institution who's students are among the few to not be sucked into the fear-making propaganda that is our nation. Then again, freedom of speech is always acceptable when the content is what people want to hear. Don't worry though, those of us who aren't too frightened to step out of line will defend the freedoms you denounce with your shallow rhetoric.
"CSU is full of intelligent students and by not owning up to your ignorance you are disregarding this simple fact!"
Apparently you are not one of these students you are speaking so highly of; Students intelligent enough to think critically about this piece of journalism, its implications, its meaning and to defend their ideas (including the students who wrote it). If you actually did ever graduate from CSU, I might suggest getting your money back. Even from this very sentence I would advise you to return and retake Logic and Critical Thinking...not that your words contain any fallacies...
I think it would quite interesting to run a social experiment cross referencing those who would STILL vote for Bush with those who denounce McSwane's actions or even with those who applaud the tasering of Andrew Meyer at the University of Florida. I would predict a positive correlation between them. There seems to be an albeit disturbing pattern between nescience and zealotry in this country.
I for one am very much proud to be a part of an institution who's students are not afraid to push the boundaries. It's interesting how many people defend the freedom to speak only when it represents their interests. We all know, the Collegian could print pictures of dead Iraqi civilians and it would be deemed as intriguing journalism. But God forbid someone should print the F-word. Quick, pull the advertisements!
Nick Paradise
posted 9/24/07 @ 10:22 AM MST
Originally posted byZack Girson
"We have sections of our student plaza dedicated to this idea."
You must be new to this country. Let me be the first to say, "Welcome!" However, before you get too settled in, I feel compelled to remind you that CSU is in fact a public institution and, as such, the campus is subject to the first Amendment.
"Freedom of speech is exercised in the news, in the classrooms, in business, in public, everywhere... everyday!"
Once again, Welcome to the United States! Unfortunately, you must not have access to our wonderful independent media. Here are some things you've missed (don't worry, there are many more):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/feature.html
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/31266prs20070809.html
"That way I can feel a lot better when someone outside of CSU asks me what this whole thing is about."
It's a good thing too. I'd hate for you to look bad at the hands of an institution who's students are among the few to not be sucked into the fear-making propaganda that is our nation. Then again, freedom of speech is always acceptable when the content is what people want to hear. Don't worry though, those of us who aren't too frightened to step out of line will defend the freedoms you denounce with your shallow rhetoric.
"CSU is full of intelligent students and by not owning up to your ignorance you are disregarding this simple fact!"
Apparently you are not one of these students you are speaking so highly of; Students intelligent enough to think critically about this piece of journalism, its implications, its meaning and to defend their ideas (including the students who wrote it). If you actually did ever graduate from CSU, I might suggest getting your money back. Even from this very sentence I would advise you to return and retake Logic and Critical Thinking...not that your words contain any fallacies...
I think it would quite interesting to run a social experiment cross referencing those who would STILL vote for Bush with those who denounce McSwane's actions or even with those who applaud the tasering of Andrew Meyer at the University of Florida. I would predict a positive correlation between them. There seems to be an albeit disturbing pattern between nescience and zealotry in this country.
I for one am very much proud to be a part of an institution who's students are not afraid to push the boundaries. It's interesting how many people defend the freedom to speak only when it represents their interests. We all know, the Collegian could print pictures of dead Iraqi civilians and it would be deemed as intriguing journalism. But God forbid someone should print the F-word. Quick, pull the advertisements!
I had a feeling my comments may be made into a political issue so let me simply state the point I was trying to make. I am not upset about the word that was said, NOR was I upset about the fact that it was said about President Bush. I took a completely different point of view than everyone so far. I was simply asking that the editor, who without fear of using the F word, decided not to make excuses for his actions. The simple statement of "Fuck Bush" did nothing to educate people on free speech... it did get our attention... not about free speech though because the arguements have steered towards political debate in this forum. Right or left wing is not the issue. The issue I was trying to bring up was the simple fact that the editor seemed to retreat a bit with his statement about the issue. So, before quickly assuming I was trying to spark another political debate, please consider I was just trying to hold the editor accountable for his reply to the students. I felt that for someone with enough, "guts" to use the word, he would have stated his reasoning behind the issue to be different than to educate students about free speech.
On another note, the most interesting point I have read so far is the one from someone stating that a more positive way of getting the attention of others would have been to print something that was not Liberal for a change. It would be interesting to see if things may have turned out the same had you printed, "Bush is a great President... this is the view of the Editorial Board." Because, we all know he is NOT a great President, but I can tell you, the result would have been the same. Right and Left Wingers would both pounce at yet another chance to defend their beliefs... which is in the end, all you have provided for the students, another chance for debate.
Nick Paradise
posted 9/24/07 @ 12:02 PM MST
On one more note. Let it be clear that if this had appeared in the newspaper many years ago when President Clinton was in power but had instead said, "Fuck Clinton" I would have had the very same reaction I am having now.
Bob Cormack
posted 9/24/07 @ 12:57 PM MST
"But God forbid someone should print the F-word. Quick, pull the advertisements!"
Grow up Zack. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism. It is not censorship when someone declines to support your opinions with their money.
In this country, people are indeed free to say (almost) anything they wish. Other people are also free to respond in any (legal) way that they wish, including filing defamation suits, boycotts (including advertising boycotts), etc. You are free to say what you want, but you are not free to duck responsibility for your actions.
This is the real world, despite what your professors have told you. The idea that freedom is uniquely yours and responsibility belongs to everyone else is a conceit of the immature, which will not serve you well in the future. You won't be a college student forever.
Grow up Zack. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism. It is not censorship when someone declines to support your opinions with their money.
In this country, people are indeed free to say (almost) anything they wish. Other people are also free to respond in any (legal) way that they wish, including filing defamation suits, boycotts (including advertising boycotts), etc. You are free to say what you want, but you are not free to duck responsibility for your actions.
This is the real world, despite what your professors have told you. The idea that freedom is uniquely yours and responsibility belongs to everyone else is a conceit of the immature, which will not serve you well in the future. You won't be a college student forever.
Father Glen
posted 9/24/07 @ 5:08 PM MST
I regret not being able to personally sign the petition. Under no circumstances allow the censorship of a legitimate publication. I was there when the ibis was stolen from the Harvard Lampoon and later when the Lampoon was pressured to license the National Lampoon. The Catholic Church removed the editor of America Magazine. Don't let the advertisers or board of governors remove yours.
Zack Girson
posted 9/24/07 @ 2:10 AM MST
"We have sections of our student plaza dedicated to this idea."
You must be new to this country. Let me be the first to say, "Welcome!" However, before you get too settled in, I feel compelled to remind you that CSU is in fact a public institution and, as such, the campus is subject to the first Amendment.
"Freedom of speech is exercised in the news, in the classrooms, in business, in public, everywhere... everyday!"
Once again, Welcome to the United States! Unfortunately, you must not have access to our wonderful independent media. Here are some things you've missed (don't worry, there are many more):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/feature.html
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/31266prs20070809.html
"That way I can feel a lot better when someone outside of CSU asks me what this whole thing is about."
It's a good thing too. I'd hate for you to look bad at the hands of an institution who's students are among the few to not be sucked into the fear-making propaganda that is our nation. Then again, freedom of speech is always acceptable when the content is what people want to hear. Don't worry though, those of us who aren't too frightened to step out of line will defend the freedoms you denounce with your shallow rhetoric.
"CSU is full of intelligent students and by not owning up to your ignorance you are disregarding this simple fact!"
Apparently you are not one of these students you are speaking so highly of; Students intelligent enough to think critically about this piece of journalism, its implications, its meaning and to defend their ideas (including the students who wrote it). If you actually did ever graduate from CSU, I might suggest getting your money back. Even from this very sentence I would advise you to return and retake Logic and Critical Thinking...not that your words contain any fallacies...
I think it would quite interesting to run a social experiment cross referencing those who would STILL vote for Bush with those who denounce McSwane's actions or even with those who applaud the tasering of Andrew Meyer at the University of Florida. I would predict a positive correlation between them. There seems to be an albeit disturbing pattern between nescience and zealotry in this country.
I for one am very much proud to be a part of an institution who's students are not afraid to push the boundaries. It's interesting how many people defend the freedom to speak only when it represents their interests. We all know, the Collegian could print pictures of dead Iraqi civilians and it would be deemed as intriguing journalism. But God forbid someone should print the F-word. Quick, pull the advertisements!
You must be new to this country. Let me be the first to say, "Welcome!" However, before you get too settled in, I feel compelled to remind you that CSU is in fact a public institution and, as such, the campus is subject to the first Amendment.
"Freedom of speech is exercised in the news, in the classrooms, in business, in public, everywhere... everyday!"
Once again, Welcome to the United States! Unfortunately, you must not have access to our wonderful independent media. Here are some things you've missed (don't worry, there are many more):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/feature.html
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/31266prs20070809.html
"That way I can feel a lot better when someone outside of CSU asks me what this whole thing is about."
It's a good thing too. I'd hate for you to look bad at the hands of an institution who's students are among the few to not be sucked into the fear-making propaganda that is our nation. Then again, freedom of speech is always acceptable when the content is what people want to hear. Don't worry though, those of us who aren't too frightened to step out of line will defend the freedoms you denounce with your shallow rhetoric.
"CSU is full of intelligent students and by not owning up to your ignorance you are disregarding this simple fact!"
Apparently you are not one of these students you are speaking so highly of; Students intelligent enough to think critically about this piece of journalism, its implications, its meaning and to defend their ideas (including the students who wrote it). If you actually did ever graduate from CSU, I might suggest getting your money back. Even from this very sentence I would advise you to return and retake Logic and Critical Thinking...not that your words contain any fallacies...
I think it would quite interesting to run a social experiment cross referencing those who would STILL vote for Bush with those who denounce McSwane's actions or even with those who applaud the tasering of Andrew Meyer at the University of Florida. I would predict a positive correlation between them. There seems to be an albeit disturbing pattern between nescience and zealotry in this country.
I for one am very much proud to be a part of an institution who's students are not afraid to push the boundaries. It's interesting how many people defend the freedom to speak only when it represents their interests. We all know, the Collegian could print pictures of dead Iraqi civilians and it would be deemed as intriguing journalism. But God forbid someone should print the F-word. Quick, pull the advertisements!
Zack Girson
posted 9/24/07 @ 2:13 AM MST
Apologies for the double post. Moderators, please delete one.
Adam
posted 9/24/07 @ 2:51 AM MST
You fair-weather alums remind me of the controlling parent who disowns his/her children the second they do something that "reflects poorly" upon the family. I'm glad to know that the actions of a handful of writers for the school newspaper is enough to influence your feelings towards an entire institution. Thank you for showing me the true meaning of loyalty.
Oh, and don't you worry. In a week this will all die down and CSU will go back to being the uneventful, color-inside-the-lines university you've come to know and love. GO RAMS!!!
Oh, and don't you worry. In a week this will all die down and CSU will go back to being the uneventful, color-inside-the-lines university you've come to know and love. GO RAMS!!!
Anton Bursch
posted 9/24/07 @ 3:22 AM MST
The only thing of national importance that has and likely ever will be printed by The Rocky Mountain Colligian is Fuck Bush.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
from The Declaration of Independence
"[The Act has a] declared indifference, but as I must think, covert real zeal for the spread of slavery, I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world--enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites--causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty--criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest."
Abraham Lincoln concerning the abolishment of slavery
I hope that this school understands the importance of the statement Fuck Bush to the people of the United States. It is how most of us feel. And most of us feel that we no longer have a national voice. These students provided that voice. We all know why anyone would say Fuck Bush. Bush has betrayed and violated our nation. He has blackened our light in this world. He has offended us all. We are at the end of our rope having patiently waiting for our elected public servants to restore our nation. We are exasperated to the point where we cannot hold anymore to the continued dismissal of our will as a nation. Our highest leader has mocked and defiled every good thing that this nation stands for.
The laws of polite society should not be given higher importance than the laws of goodness and liberty. The lives of the hundreds of thousands who have died and the hundreds of millions who have been oppressed and betrayed are worth a moment of a raw human declaration of outrage and independence!
Many have demanded this kid's head on a the chopping block for speaking for us. But we hold him in the highest regard for having been a voice for us when no one else would be. As word spreads he will be admired by hundreds of millions the world over. Admired by those who know when to place the truth and human life and liberty above what is polite.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
from The Declaration of Independence
"[The Act has a] declared indifference, but as I must think, covert real zeal for the spread of slavery, I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world--enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites--causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty--criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest."
Abraham Lincoln concerning the abolishment of slavery
I hope that this school understands the importance of the statement Fuck Bush to the people of the United States. It is how most of us feel. And most of us feel that we no longer have a national voice. These students provided that voice. We all know why anyone would say Fuck Bush. Bush has betrayed and violated our nation. He has blackened our light in this world. He has offended us all. We are at the end of our rope having patiently waiting for our elected public servants to restore our nation. We are exasperated to the point where we cannot hold anymore to the continued dismissal of our will as a nation. Our highest leader has mocked and defiled every good thing that this nation stands for.
The laws of polite society should not be given higher importance than the laws of goodness and liberty. The lives of the hundreds of thousands who have died and the hundreds of millions who have been oppressed and betrayed are worth a moment of a raw human declaration of outrage and independence!
Many have demanded this kid's head on a the chopping block for speaking for us. But we hold him in the highest regard for having been a voice for us when no one else would be. As word spreads he will be admired by hundreds of millions the world over. Admired by those who know when to place the truth and human life and liberty above what is polite.
Susan W
posted 9/24/07 @ 10:47 AM MST
Originally posted byAnton Bursch
I hope that this school understands the importance of the statement Fuck Bush to the people of the United States. It is how most of us feel. And most of us feel that we no longer have a national voice. These students provided that voice. We all know why anyone would say Fuck Bush.
First of all, "how most of us feel" is strictly subjective. Perhaps among your friends and colleagues, but he certainly is not speaking for most people that I know across the nation.
McSwane might have been trying to provoke interest and discussion about the tasering of a FL student last week at a Kerry rally. He failed miserably. His childish choice of words managed to create a firestorm over the word, not over the incident. He failed to add to or provoke the proper conversation. Look at the tone of the letters here. He might have simply stopped with Taser This! or even brainstormed with other editors to find a better one. In terms of memorably headlines...that really was not one.
I'm not calling for his head, but I do think that he should be dismissed as a strictly business decision. His choice of headlines managed to cost the paper over $30K in advertising, 10% salary cuts and the dismissal of staffers. If he had worked in ANY industry and had caused such a financial loss with such immense consequences, he'd have been cleaning out his desk on Friday afternoon. It might be time for somewhat clearer heads to resolve this issue and put an end to it.
With usage of the First Amendment, he must also accept the journalistic duty to provoke converstaion and thought. McSwane managed to completely derail that.
Robert Grube
posted 9/24/07 @ 12:25 PM MST
Robert
Your comments as well as some others are based on a number of false positions. All generated by liberal propaganda. As much as it would suit the purposes of the anti - Bush , anti war factions, this war is a logical outcome of a history of attacks upon United States interests on several continents by Islamic terrorists. The actions of Saddam Hussein in his attack on Kuwait, subsequent violations of the peace treaty following the 1st Gulf war, use of WMD against both Iran and the Kurds in his own country and his attemps to develop WMD including neuclear weapons led the world, including 15 members of the United Nations Security Council, all the inteligence services of Europe including France, Germany and Russia and the International Neuclear Energy Agency to the position that he had to be stopped before he was able to provide neuclear weapons to terrorists or use them himself against his neighbors or western powers. Bush asked for and RECEIVED AUTHORIZATION FROM CONGRESS to launch our attack against Iraq. The revisionist history from the liberals is an outright lie. I agree Bush has mishandled the policy decisions immediately after the war and to a certain extent up to the present. But it is about time to deal in facts and not partisan propaganda. The problem in September of 2007 is what to do now with the current situation. Will the United States be better off to accept defeat and bring all our military home or is there still an enemy of our country with an objective to take everyone back to the 7th century. That is the question. At some point it is necessary to look at the big picture. If you are so emotionally caught up in your hatred of Bush that you decide it is better to support the enemy in time of war then you will lose that which you claim to hold most dear, your freedom of speech as well as all other freedoms.
You use some rather large numbers in your comments," hundreds of thousands who have died and hundreds of millions who have been oppressd." Who were you referring to? The muslins who are attacking western civilization or those who were attacked? and "As word spreads he will be admired by hundreds of millions the world over." At best maybe several hundred misguided airheads who allow themselves to be brainwashed without questioning the truthfulness of the propaganda of partisan hacks.
I admire your passionate support of that which you believe but I am reminded that Hitler felt very strongly about his view of the world. He was wrong and so are you.
Originally posted byAnton Bursch
The only thing of national importance that has and likely ever will be printed by The Rocky Mountain Colligian is Fuck Bush.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
from The Declaration of Independence
"[The Act has a] declared indifference, but as I must think, covert real zeal for the spread of slavery, I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world--enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites--causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty--criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest."
Abraham Lincoln concerning the abolishment of slavery
I hope that this school understands the importance of the statement Fuck Bush to the people of the United States. It is how most of us feel. And most of us feel that we no longer have a national voice. These students provided that voice. We all know why anyone would say Fuck Bush. Bush has betrayed and violated our nation. He has blackened our light in this world. He has offended us all. We are at the end of our rope having patiently waiting for our elected public servants to restore our nation. We are exasperated to the point where we cannot hold anymore to the continued dismissal of our will as a nation. Our highest leader has mocked and defiled every good thing that this nation stands for.
The laws of polite society should not be given higher importance than the laws of goodness and liberty. The lives of the hundreds of thousands who have died and the hundreds of millions who have been oppressed and betrayed are worth a moment of a raw human declaration of outrage and independence!
Many have demanded this kid's head on a the chopping block for speaking for us. But we hold him in the highest regard for having been a voice for us when no one else would be. As word spreads he will be admired by hundreds of millions the world over. Admired by those who know when to place the truth and human life and liberty above what is polite.
Your comments as well as some others are based on a number of false positions. All generated by liberal propaganda. As much as it would suit the purposes of the anti - Bush , anti war factions, this war is a logical outcome of a history of attacks upon United States interests on several continents by Islamic terrorists. The actions of Saddam Hussein in his attack on Kuwait, subsequent violations of the peace treaty following the 1st Gulf war, use of WMD against both Iran and the Kurds in his own country and his attemps to develop WMD including neuclear weapons led the world, including 15 members of the United Nations Security Council, all the inteligence services of Europe including France, Germany and Russia and the International Neuclear Energy Agency to the position that he had to be stopped before he was able to provide neuclear weapons to terrorists or use them himself against his neighbors or western powers. Bush asked for and RECEIVED AUTHORIZATION FROM CONGRESS to launch our attack against Iraq. The revisionist history from the liberals is an outright lie. I agree Bush has mishandled the policy decisions immediately after the war and to a certain extent up to the present. But it is about time to deal in facts and not partisan propaganda. The problem in September of 2007 is what to do now with the current situation. Will the United States be better off to accept defeat and bring all our military home or is there still an enemy of our country with an objective to take everyone back to the 7th century. That is the question. At some point it is necessary to look at the big picture. If you are so emotionally caught up in your hatred of Bush that you decide it is better to support the enemy in time of war then you will lose that which you claim to hold most dear, your freedom of speech as well as all other freedoms.
You use some rather large numbers in your comments," hundreds of thousands who have died and hundreds of millions who have been oppressd." Who were you referring to? The muslins who are attacking western civilization or those who were attacked? and "As word spreads he will be admired by hundreds of millions the world over." At best maybe several hundred misguided airheads who allow themselves to be brainwashed without questioning the truthfulness of the propaganda of partisan hacks.
I admire your passionate support of that which you believe but I am reminded that Hitler felt very strongly about his view of the world. He was wrong and so are you.
Robert Grube
posted 9/24/07 @ 1:46 PM MST
Of course it is "nuclear" not "neuclear"!!!!!
Victoria Evelyn
posted 9/24/07 @ 3:42 PM MST
Originally posted byAnton Bursch
The only thing of national importance that has and likely ever will be printed by The Rocky Mountain Colligian is Fuck Bush.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
from The Declaration of Independence
"[The Act has a] declared indifference, but as I must think, covert real zeal for the spread of slavery, I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world--enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites--causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty--criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest."
Abraham Lincoln concerning the abolishment of slavery
I hope that this school understands the importance of the statement Fuck Bush to the people of the United States. It is how most of us feel. And most of us feel that we no longer have a national voice. These students provided that voice. We all know why anyone would say Fuck Bush. Bush has betrayed and violated our nation. He has blackened our light in this world. He has offended us all. We are at the end of our rope having patiently waiting for our elected public servants to restore our nation. We are exasperated to the point where we cannot hold anymore to the continued dismissal of our will as a nation. Our highest leader has mocked and defiled every good thing that this nation stands for.
The laws of polite society should not be given higher importance than the laws of goodness and liberty. The lives of the hundreds of thousands who have died and the hundreds of millions who have been oppressed and betrayed are worth a moment of a raw human declaration of outrage and independence!
Many have demanded this kid's head on a the chopping block for speaking for us. But we hold him in the highest regard for having been a voice for us when no one else would be. As word spreads he will be admired by hundreds of millions the world over. Admired by those who know when to place the truth and human life and liberty above what is polite.
Very nice penmanship. However you have overlooked the same salient fact that the so-called "journalists" overlooked; the "taser incident" occurred at a JOHN KERRY speaking engagement. The young man who was tasered had interfered with JOHN KERRY'S rally. It had nothing whatsoever to do with George Bush. Are all students at your college such dimwits?
seth
posted 9/24/07 @ 10:58 PM MST
Originally posted byAnton Bursch
The only thing of national importance that has and likely ever will be printed by The Rocky Mountain Colligian is Fuck Bush.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
from The Declaration of Independence
"[The Act has a] declared indifference, but as I must think, covert real zeal for the spread of slavery, I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world--enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites--causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty--criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest."
Abraham Lincoln concerning the abolishment of slavery
I hope that this school understands the importance of the statement Fuck Bush to the people of the United States. It is how most of us feel. And most of us feel that we no longer have a national voice. These students provided that voice. We all know why anyone would say Fuck Bush. Bush has betrayed and violated our nation. He has blackened our light in this world. He has offended us all. We are at the end of our rope having patiently waiting for our elected public servants to restore our nation. We are exasperated to the point where we cannot hold anymore to the continued dismissal of our will as a nation. Our highest leader has mocked and defiled every good thing that this nation stands for.
The laws of polite society should not be given higher importance than the laws of goodness and liberty. The lives of the hundreds of thousands who have died and the hundreds of millions who have been oppressed and betrayed are worth a moment of a raw human declaration of outrage and independence!
Many have demanded this kid's head on a the chopping block for speaking for us. But we hold him in the highest regard for having been a voice for us when no one else would be. As word spreads he will be admired by hundreds of millions the world over. Admired by those who know when to place the truth and human life and liberty above what is polite.
Please let me explain this in as simple terms as I can. You will be out of college soon and you need to grasp this idea.
WTF? You are actually pulling out the constitution to defend this Editorial? He's not going to jail dude, just hopefully going to get fired. You see, it isn't his paper, he doesn't own it. He only works there. As an employee, he must abide by the rules of his superiors and win their praise or suffer their judgement. If he really wants to say things like this, he should start his own paper. But he didn't do that, did he?
Now do you see how it works?
ST
Seriously, you are a really, really stupid person.
Douglas Davis
posted 9/25/07 @ 3:18 PM MST
Originally posted byAnton Bursch
The only thing of national importance that has and likely ever will be printed by The Rocky Mountain Colligian is Fuck Bush.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
from The Declaration of Independence
"[The Act has a] declared indifference, but as I must think, covert real zeal for the spread of slavery, I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world--enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites--causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty--criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest."
Abraham Lincoln concerning the abolishment of slavery
I hope that this school understands the importance of the statement Fuck Bush to the people of the United States. It is how most of us feel. And most of us feel that we no longer have a national voice. These students provided that voice. We all know why anyone would say Fuck Bush. Bush has betrayed and violated our nation. He has blackened our light in this world. He has offended us all. We are at the end of our rope having patiently waiting for our elected public servants to restore our nation. We are exasperated to the point where we cannot hold anymore to the continued dismissal of our will as a nation. Our highest leader has mocked and defiled every good thing that this nation stands for.
The laws of polite society should not be given higher importance than the laws of goodness and liberty. The lives of the hundreds of thousands who have died and the hundreds of millions who have been oppressed and betrayed are worth a moment of a raw human declaration of outrage and independence!
Many have demanded this kid's head on a the chopping block for speaking for us. But we hold him in the highest regard for having been a voice for us when no one else would be. As word spreads he will be admired by hundreds of millions the world over. Admired by those who know when to place the truth and human life and liberty above what is polite.
I've heard many speak the same sentiments, but none can point to why the all HATE Bush so.
I hear the accusation of lying over WMD's. But it was Clinton, England, Russia, France, Italy, China, Germany, UAE, The UN & Sadam Husane him self that claimed he had WMD's. Yet you HATE none of those with the same veracity you show our President Bush.
Is it the wire taping of foreign entities that are speaking to known terrorists? If this is the case why don't you HATE Bill Clinton for wire taping US citizens, without FISA's approval?
If its tax cuts for the rich, I suggest you look at the tax code implemented during President Clinton's era and compare it to the one President Bush put in place. As a person in the financial industry I'm keenly aware of the tax codes and who benefits from them . . .President Bush did everyone a huge favor by lowering the tax tables across the board. I might add we are in the midst of the largest economic growth since WWI.
Do liberals really think President Bush can control the weather and therefore is responsible for Hurricane Katrina ? Is he responsible for global warming?
If so how did he start and stop the last three to seven ice ages?
I guess in short, why do liberals HATE so much?
Please, I really do want to know.
Please don't just spew vile and filth, that would be expected from someone who HATES.
Amy
posted 9/28/07 @ 9:24 PM MST
Originally posted byAnton Bursch
The only thing of national importance that has and likely ever will be printed by The Rocky Mountain Colligian is Fuck Bush.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
from The Declaration of Independence
"[The Act has a] declared indifference, but as I must think, covert real zeal for the spread of slavery, I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world--enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites--causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty--criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest."
Abraham Lincoln concerning the abolishment of slavery
I hope that this school understands the importance of the statement Fuck Bush to the people of the United States. It is how most of us feel. And most of us feel that we no longer have a national voice. These students provided that voice. We all know why anyone would say Fuck Bush. Bush has betrayed and violated our nation. He has blackened our light in this world. He has offended us all. We are at the end of our rope having patiently waiting for our elected public servants to restore our nation. We are exasperated to the point where we cannot hold anymore to the continued dismissal of our will as a nation. Our highest leader has mocked and defiled every good thing that this nation stands for.
The laws of polite society should not be given higher importance than the laws of goodness and liberty. The lives of the hundreds of thousands who have died and the hundreds of millions who have been oppressed and betrayed are worth a moment of a raw human declaration of outrage and independence!
Many have demanded this kid's head on a the chopping block for speaking for us. But we hold him in the highest regard for having been a voice for us when no one else would be. As word spreads he will be admired by hundreds of millions the world over. Admired by those who know when to place the truth and human life and liberty above what is polite.
Weren't any of you at the meeting Wednesday night? Budget girl and Mr. Browne admitted that there was a threat of lost revenue. As of that time, no money was actually lost.
Amy
posted 9/28/07 @ 9:27 PM MST
Originally posted byAnton Bursch
The only thing of national importance that has and likely ever will be printed by The Rocky Mountain Colligian is Fuck Bush.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
from The Declaration of Independence
"[The Act has a] declared indifference, but as I must think, covert real zeal for the spread of slavery, I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world--enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites--causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty--criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest."
Abraham Lincoln concerning the abolishment of slavery
I hope that this school understands the importance of the statement Fuck Bush to the people of the United States. It is how most of us feel. And most of us feel that we no longer have a national voice. These students provided that voice. We all know why anyone would say Fuck Bush. Bush has betrayed and violated our nation. He has blackened our light in this world. He has offended us all. We are at the end of our rope having patiently waiting for our elected public servants to restore our nation. We are exasperated to the point where we cannot hold anymore to the continued dismissal of our will as a nation. Our highest leader has mocked and defiled every good thing that this nation stands for.
The laws of polite society should not be given higher importance than the laws of goodness and liberty. The lives of the hundreds of thousands who have died and the hundreds of millions who have been oppressed and betrayed are worth a moment of a raw human declaration of outrage and independence!
Many have demanded this kid's head on a the chopping block for speaking for us. But we hold him in the highest regard for having been a voice for us when no one else would be. As word spreads he will be admired by hundreds of millions the world over. Admired by those who know when to place the truth and human life and liberty above what is polite.
V--Try to keep up. The fact that the taser incident was at a Kerry event has been established, talked about and explained.
Josh
posted 9/24/07 @ 4:17 AM MST
What amazes me is that many respondents are "outraged" at the editorial staff for printing a provocative word regarding Mr. Bush. Hello??? Where is the outrage about the insane war he's gotten our kids involved in? For what? This editorial staff may have taken an offbeat path, and perhaps journalistically a controversial one, but at least they've sparked people to pull their heads out of their butts and start understanding what's happening in our country. For the whining alums who've come back to post their petty grievances about how this editorial piece has upset them, how about focusing that same conviction and outrage where it belongs? It belongs squarely on the shoulders of the man who has led us into a disastrous and agonizingly brutal war in Iraq: George Fucking Bush.
seth
posted 9/24/07 @ 10:34 PM MST
Originally posted byJosh
What amazes me is that many respondents are "outraged" at the editorial staff for printing a provocative word regarding Mr. Bush. Hello??? Where is the outrage about the insane war he's gotten our kids involved in? For what? This editorial staff may have taken an offbeat path, and perhaps journalistically a controversial one, but at least they've sparked people to pull their heads out of their butts and start understanding what's happening in our country. For the whining alums who've come back to post their petty grievances about how this editorial piece has upset them, how about focusing that same conviction and outrage where it belongs? It belongs squarely on the shoulders of the man who has led us into a disastrous and agonizingly brutal war in Iraq: George Fucking Bush.
Well apparently the outrage is with this university and its' students. Hard for me to make the correlation between a John Kerry speach in Florida and an editorial disrespecting Bush. Sounds more to me like you are defending sloppy reporting and an unprofessional editor by slamming Bush. Do students at CSU have to take the SAT's anymore? If yes, do the SAT's still have sections where you have to make rational correlations?
Exactly what is happening to this country dude? War? Show me a time in modern history where we are not deployed in war? Hard to believe you people are so angry about Bush's war. Where was the outrage over Clinton's wars? You know the one where we bombed Europe and had ground forces there for many years. Or how about when Carter attacked Iran. Or when Kennedy deployed to Vietnam?
Seriously, all this is about an unprofessional idiot who smoked a little too much, got tired, and took it upon himself to damage the credibility and budget of a paper for his own purposes. I bet you hate Bush for some of the same selfish traits posessed by the editor. Think about it.
Paul Sullivan
posted 9/24/07 @ 5:07 AM MST
As the editor for a college newspaper, I would expect the most basic job qualification would be command of the English language. The "F-word" is not in any proper English language dictionary for a reason. McSwane should go back to his dictionary and thesaurus before writing hateful drivel of words that are not socially acceptable. I'd suggest stepping down, concentrate on taking two classes. One would be a grammar class, another would be an etiquette class. Take advantage of going to college, earn a degree and become a productive member of society not a verbal bomb thrower.
seth
posted 9/24/07 @ 10:37 PM MST
Originally posted byPaul Sullivan
As the editor for a college newspaper, I would expect the most basic job qualification would be command of the English language. The "F-word" is not in any proper English language dictionary for a reason. McSwane should go back to his dictionary and thesaurus before writing hateful drivel of words that are not socially acceptable. I'd suggest stepping down, concentrate on taking two classes. One would be a grammar class, another would be an etiquette class. Take advantage of going to college, earn a degree and become a productive member of society not a verbal bomb thrower.
I think a history class is in order as well my friend.
patrick williams
posted 9/24/07 @ 5:59 AM MST
It seems the editor in chief has decided he will defend his decision to allow this editorial to be printed even after it was shown to be an unwise, unpopular and downright bad decision to do so. Does this sound familiar and resemble other individuals in responsible positions defending their failed policy decisions even though the majority has seen to view it otherwise.
Thank you
Thank you
dante
posted 9/24/07 @ 9:31 AM MST
Originally posted bypatrick williams
It seems the editor in chief has decided he will defend his decision to allow this editorial to be printed even after it was shown to be an unwise, unpopular and downright bad decision to do so. Does this sound familiar and resemble other individuals in responsible positions defending their failed policy decisions even though the majority has seen to view it otherwise.
Thank you
YES! This says it all!
John B
posted 9/24/07 @ 6:10 AM MST
"Unintended consequences..."
Not only does the child McSwane show very poor judgement, but now he is either fully detatched from reality or a liar. This editorial [sic] board absolutely knew that the consequences of printing profanity in the Collegian would result in local advertisers pulling their sponsorship. Well the readers and the sponsors will certainly make their intentions clear unlike the editorial [sic] board: no more money, no more readers.
We certainly look forward to the new editorial [sic] board after Tuesday, and I certainly hope that the resignations/removals do not stop with the child McSwane.
Not only does the child McSwane show very poor judgement, but now he is either fully detatched from reality or a liar. This editorial [sic] board absolutely knew that the consequences of printing profanity in the Collegian would result in local advertisers pulling their sponsorship. Well the readers and the sponsors will certainly make their intentions clear unlike the editorial [sic] board: no more money, no more readers.
We certainly look forward to the new editorial [sic] board after Tuesday, and I certainly hope that the resignations/removals do not stop with the child McSwane.
Bruce Redfield
posted 9/24/07 @ 6:28 AM MST
>"I plan to be honest," he said. "Our intentions weren't 'Hey, let's upset the community.' It was, 'Let's get college students to talk about freedom of speech.'"Christian applauded the Collegian editorial board for taking the initiative to start such controversy in an industry that he said has become less bold than it should be.
"It shows that he (McSwane) has got guts," he said. "I don't know that the mainstream media is doing what's necessary to promote freedom of speech."
He said some other publications refuse to spell the f word out because they fear social ramifications. "This shows what power that word has when newspapers are afraid to print it."<
How much guts does it take to join in with the rest of the mainstream media and their hatred of this president and get a collective pat on the back? I am sure that Mr. McSwane also praises Columbia University for the invitation to the President of Iran to speak at the college.
If you wanted to show some guts you could have printed a pro-Bush editorial or an anti-Ahmadinejad editorial. Then people on campus may have took notice. Now you will just be known one of the thousands of other liberals who say "F--- Bush" .
Yes another shining example of what this country has to look forward to.
"It shows that he (McSwane) has got guts," he said. "I don't know that the mainstream media is doing what's necessary to promote freedom of speech."
He said some other publications refuse to spell the f word out because they fear social ramifications. "This shows what power that word has when newspapers are afraid to print it."<
How much guts does it take to join in with the rest of the mainstream media and their hatred of this president and get a collective pat on the back? I am sure that Mr. McSwane also praises Columbia University for the invitation to the President of Iran to speak at the college.
If you wanted to show some guts you could have printed a pro-Bush editorial or an anti-Ahmadinejad editorial. Then people on campus may have took notice. Now you will just be known one of the thousands of other liberals who say "F--- Bush" .
Yes another shining example of what this country has to look forward to.
Schmedlap
posted 9/24/07 @ 8:29 PM MST
Originally posted byBruce Redfield
>"How much guts does it take to join in with the rest of the mainstream media and their hatred of this president and get a collective pat on the back?
You must be talking about all those people who really hate King Bush and never repeat what he says... Let's see, is that O'Reilly you mean, or maybe Hannity? Could you be referring to Anne Coulter, or perhaps maybe Brit Hume, Neil Cavuto, or Newt Gingrich. You probably mean't Tucker Carlson or Chris Matthews or Dan Ahbrams or Joe Scarborough. Oh yeah I forgot about the radio too maybe its Rush Limbaugh you're referring to as a Bush hater.
Let's get real here. Pull your head out of your tail end, stand up and stop drinking that kool-aid they're feeding you on Faux News.
Nicky
posted 9/24/07 @ 7:07 AM MST
Hey Morons:
Very interesting how you're blaming Bush for the outcome of Meyers' stunt.
It happened at a Kerry speech. Kerry the DEMOCRAT.
So tell me again how Bush is at fault?!
And please, please tell me how Kerry so eloquently and with immediacy spoke out against this injustice!
Oh yeah, I forgot - he HASN'T! Hmmm
You sanctimonious kids just kill me!
Very interesting how you're blaming Bush for the outcome of Meyers' stunt.
It happened at a Kerry speech. Kerry the DEMOCRAT.
So tell me again how Bush is at fault?!
And please, please tell me how Kerry so eloquently and with immediacy spoke out against this injustice!
Oh yeah, I forgot - he HASN'T! Hmmm
You sanctimonious kids just kill me!
Elvis
posted 9/24/07 @ 10:33 AM MST
Originally posted byNicky
Hey Morons:
Very interesting how you're blaming Bush for the outcome of Meyers' stunt.
It happened at a Kerry speech. Kerry the DEMOCRAT.
So tell me again how Bush is at fault?!
And please, please tell me how Kerry so eloquently and with immediacy spoke out against this injustice!
Oh yeah, I forgot - he HASN'T! Hmmm
You sanctimonious kids just kill me!
Speaking of morons...
How can anyone leap to the conclusion that the four word editorial in question has anything to do with "blaming Bush for the outcome of Meyers' stunt." I and millions of other hardworking, taxpaying American citizens have been saying "Fuck Bush" since the beginning of the 2000 Presidential election season.
At least you didn't accuse the Collegian's Editorial Board of being childish in their use of the F-bomb. Unlike the mature, rational practice of addressing people with whom you disagree as "Hey Morons".
Psychology Alumni 2006
posted 9/24/07 @ 7:15 AM MST
As an Alumni, I couldn't be prouder to have graduated from CSU. Its time the republicans got a taste of their own medicine. Speaking for the country when in reality speaking for themselves. So FUCK BUSH and the republiccans who are raising hell. And this is coming from a former member of the US Army who enlisted at the beginning of the IRAQI War.
Charles W
posted 9/25/07 @ 11:05 AM MST
Let me understand you enlisted in 2003 and now its 2007.
Hum, where the hell have you been, to Iraq once? Let me tell you something, you remind me of a boy named 'Johnny' in the 6th grade who accidentally pees on himself after lunch, completely humiliated and mad at himself for not going to the restroom before lunch was over with, and angry at others for seeing (smelling) the outcome of his decision.
You are that 'Johnny', get over it, clean yourself up, change your clothes, learn to understand your decision, and take some damn responsibilities for your actions.
As for me, I was a civilian contractor in Iraq 2004 working for the Army. I was wounded.
In 2005, I was so impressed with the first hand account of what the Army was doing for the Iraqis', and how the various units over there worked like a team, that I joined the TX Army Guard and went right back in 2006 as a soldier. I was wounded again in 2007.
There is nothing like seeing a plant grow from a seed.
PEACE
Hum, where the hell have you been, to Iraq once? Let me tell you something, you remind me of a boy named 'Johnny' in the 6th grade who accidentally pees on himself after lunch, completely humiliated and mad at himself for not going to the restroom before lunch was over with, and angry at others for seeing (smelling) the outcome of his decision.
You are that 'Johnny', get over it, clean yourself up, change your clothes, learn to understand your decision, and take some damn responsibilities for your actions.
As for me, I was a civilian contractor in Iraq 2004 working for the Army. I was wounded.
In 2005, I was so impressed with the first hand account of what the Army was doing for the Iraqis', and how the various units over there worked like a team, that I joined the TX Army Guard and went right back in 2006 as a soldier. I was wounded again in 2007.
There is nothing like seeing a plant grow from a seed.
PEACE
Peter
posted 9/24/07 @ 7:45 AM MST
"The Editorial Board felt very strongly that its time college students, especially CSU students, start talking about issues,"
THE EDITORIAL BOARD HAD A SPLIT VOTE ON THIS ISSUE.
I dont see how the editorial board felt VERY STRONGLY about this issue.
THE EDITORIAL BOARD HAD A SPLIT VOTE ON THIS ISSUE.
I dont see how the editorial board felt VERY STRONGLY about this issue.
Nick Powell
posted 9/24/07 @ 7:48 AM MST
Can't we all just get along? People are mean, huh?
ByeGeorge.Org
posted 9/24/07 @ 7:49 AM MST
FINALLY - an honest headline! This is a FIRST in the SIX LONG YEARS of Banana Republican Fascist Rule! You should be DAMNED PROUD of yourselves, journalistic integrity may yet prevail, despite the efforts of FOX Noise and Howard Kurts - or FIXED NEWS and COWARD HURTS! The Collegian RULES! ByeGeorge.Org and HelpBuyTheBeer.Org salute you! LONG LIVE THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT!
Dana Hackley
posted 9/24/07 @ 7:50 AM MST
As a university newspaper adviser in PA who struggles with freedom of speech as it relates to a campus administration I applaud you. I understand you wouldn't use the word lightly and unless you felt you needed to draw attention to an issue you feel so strongly about. And it worked, people are talking. I only hope my students would have the same journalistic enthusiasm and passion.
Todd
posted 9/24/07 @ 9:34 AM MST
Originally posted byDana Hackley
As a university newspaper adviser in PA who struggles with freedom of speech as it relates to a campus administration I applaud you. I understand you wouldn't use the word lightly and unless you felt you needed to draw attention to an issue you feel so strongly about. And it worked, people are talking. I only hope my students would have the same journalistic enthusiasm and passion.
Although I do not work for the Collegian I am proud to be a student with a newspaper who has a firm grasp on free speech. I feel that many people are confusing the issue with the taser incident. This incident brought up freedom of speech issues, the editorial board chose their own route to bring these issues up on our campus. I for one totally support the editors choice behind printing this opinion. It is just that, and opinion. I am also happy to see that their has been a dialogue opened up on campus, which I feel is the strongest role of a student paper.
Rich Charron
posted 9/24/07 @ 7:59 AM MST
I am not a CSU, but as a student journalist at UCF I am always searching the web for those stories which I believe push the limits of our freedoms, this ensuring that they survive for future generations. Freedom is a terribly bitter pill to swallow and it seem that of late people seem to think that "freedom of speech" means "freedom from speech". Sometimes that speech might be offensive to you. SO WHAT? If you want to live in a world where everyone's words are censored and cleaned up so as not to be offensive, then there are plenty of governments already engaged in this type of oppression. If you truly believe in the freedoms of this country, then you will stand up for everyone's right to do so, regardless of whether or not you believe in what they are saying. It's astonishing to me that people in an academic environment can simply ignore the very lessons that they are learning in classrooms and act in such an anti-American fashion.
I hope that the attack on the editor amounts to nothing at all and I would be very interested in helping the paper raise funds to assist in the blacklisting by several advertisers. When advertisers cut funding based on something on the editorial page, then our democracy is truly being threatened. It's time for all of us to stand up and fight for our freedoms, our rights, and our Constitution.
I hope that the attack on the editor amounts to nothing at all and I would be very interested in helping the paper raise funds to assist in the blacklisting by several advertisers. When advertisers cut funding based on something on the editorial page, then our democracy is truly being threatened. It's time for all of us to stand up and fight for our freedoms, our rights, and our Constitution.
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Nick Paradise
posted 9/24/07 @ 12:18 AM MST
I am sure this will be one of many letters you receive in reaction to the very short editorial you wrote about President Bush. I am not going to rant and rave and will try not to point out the obvious reasons I think what you said was a bit... off color... but I am instead going to try and point out something you may not have considered.
I have moved on from CSU and currently reside in Jupiter, Florida where I moved for work. Occasionally I like to catch up on my CSU news both on Collegeian.com and at Colostate.edu. I noticed a reaction letter on tonight's website from President Penley so my natural curiousness dug up the story.
I honestly couldn't believe what I was reading. I was not in disbelief because of the vulgarity of things nor because it was about President Bush, but because for the first time in my life, I was embarrassed to be affiliated with Colorado State. I felt like the Collegian had stooped to the likes of our fellow Colorado Buffaloes who I could very well see pulling a stunt like this. I have always considered CSU to have a little more class and a little more civility when it came to touchy issues.
For J. David McSwane to write "I strongly urge the university community to try and understand that the intentions of the students on staff, including me, were not to cause harm, but rather to reinforce the importance of free speech at our great institution" is simply ridiculous.
Your statement to the community is simply making a mockery of the intelligence of the students who make up this very institution. It was the easy way out and not the right thing to say.
Do you really think our student body has no idea that free speech is important here in our community in Fort Collins? We have sections of our student plaza dedicated to this idea. We live in a society that is challenged day in and day out to voice our opinions keeping in mind it is our freedom. Freedom of speech is exercised in the news, in the classrooms, in business, in public, everywhere... everyday! We are constantly reminded of this and simply didn't need a vulgar comment from our student newspaper to prove it.
So my point is this. Instead of coming up with some half-ass excuse why you wrote what you did and stating you were trying to do the student body a service, why don't you just admit what you did was not right and move on? That way I can feel a lot better when someone outside of CSU asks me what this whole thing is about. I can say the newspaper apologized rather than having to say they took the low road. CSU is full of intelligent students and by not owning up to your ignorance you are disregarding this simple fact!
Always proud to be a CSU Ram!
Nick Paradise 06'