The Rocky Mountain Collegian

Wow! Where to start? Well lets start with the fact that Dr. Paul wants the feds out of your direct personal life. States rights have been forgotten. If one state wants to legalize abortion while another doesn't, that is perfectly Constitutional and fine with Ron Paul. He is personally against abortion but it is not his job to force his beliefs on you. That is up to you and your neighbors. Almost every stance that Ron Paul takes is based on the US Constitution. I wish more people would READ that founding document. But alas, many don't and uninformed rants like this author's rant happen. NOT EVERYTHING IS A FEDERAL ISSUE. How bout that?

I think the biggest misconception about this article, though you bring up some viable concerns from a pure libertarian standpoint is that Ron Paul isn't against those things...he's just against the federal government being involved in them. Like JP said, it's better if it's a state issue. This way controversial issues no matter how you end up like abortion or same sex marriages go to a more grassroots level and match the community they affect. Someone in the Bible belt is vastly, almost to the point of culturally different from someone in let's say San Francisco. Why should they have the same federal decisions thrust upon both of them?

And of course, though Paul ran as a libertarian, he's not one. He's been a Republican the whole time he's been a representative. But if you look at his solutions to issues of economy or especially foreign policy and the Iraq war, he's far above the Republicans and can give the democrats a struggle in their otherwise open door to the white house

I agree Ron Paul has no chance at getting elected. And since I am not a libertarian I will acquiesce to your expertise as a libertarian.


But I have one bone to pick with you. You say so called terrorists states. States that sponsor terror are terrorist states.

How many times have student visas been used by terrorists?

I just think that when you make it sound like these countries are not sponsors of terrorism is ludicrous no matter what steps we should take or not take to prevent them from coming here.

Example: It was the main stream Muslim that was out dancing in the streets after 911. So much for the mainstream Muslim not wanting our demise.

I saw supposedly mainstream kindergarten class in Gaza on tape. They had preschool kids at graduation , already acting like savages. The little girls wore ballet outfits and looked like fairy Princesses. The little boys wore fatigues and carried wooden AK-47's. The little boys stood up one at a time and raised there fake Kalashnikov over their heads screaming about how they could not wait to die killing Americans and Jews. Then the little girls followed suit. All to the rabid applause of the adults who raised them for their tirades.

So while you Liberals are singing kumbaya and making excuses for them . Muslims across the globe are brain washing their young and turning them in top hate filled suicide machines.

How brain dead do you Lefties have to be to ignore this. COMPLETELY!!!!!!!!

The author is all wrong:
Ron Paul opposes FEDERAL involvement in abortion. Overturning Roe v Wade would return control to the states. That is a libertarian position. Ron Paul supports the right of states to marry same-sex couples but doesn't want one state to be able to IMPOSE their will on another state. Again, a decidedly libertarian position. He voted for the bill that included a border fence because that bill opposed amnesty. Watch his interview with John Stossel and you'll see that he doesn't support a fence at all. Ron Paul supports the rights of states and individuals to make their own decisions and wants to limit the feds. from doing anything not specifically delegated in the Constitution. You need to review your facts.

I am a libertarian and I disagree strongly with the characterization of Dr. Paul's views. First of all, it is not decidedly libertarian to be pro-choice. This is actually a very contentious issue for libertarians. Besides that, Dr. Paul is simply for overturning Roe v Wade. A decision that is based upon a stretched interpretation of the Constitution. I shouldn't have to remind anyone that overturning Roe v Wade does not make abortion illegal, it simply makes it a state issue. And I have no idea how you can imply that Dr. Paul is against longstanding family planning or fertility tools. That is simply a lie. While I agree that states should not dictate religion, your characterization of Dr. Paul's position is incorrect. He does not believe that states should be able to dictate religion. Rather, he believes that students, teachers, and government officials should be able to freely choose to exercise their religion wherever they may be. This does not dictate religion in any way.

Finally, while I will agree that Dr. Paul may fail the libertarian litmus test on a few issues, on the whole he is decidedly libertarian. If you wish to criticize him (which are based upon mischaracterizations or misunderstandings) then go ahead. When it comes down to it Dr. Paul is clearly the best choice for president (out of those running)for the libertarian crowd. Stop nit-picking and/or lying to yourself about Dr. Paul and go cast a vote for liberty.

Nicely said Jason. I disagre with you and Ron paul on issue , but I appreciate you input and they way you went about it.

May the best man or lady win. Just as long as it is not Billary.

I can't add much to these fine comments here other than: You're worse than WRONG on everything you say Mr. Anthony, you are SUPERFICIALLY CORRECT. You've knowingly made a hit piece, because you probably support one of the corporate candidates. If true, that makes you (whether out of ignorance or not) de facto, NOT ANY KIND of a libertarian and therefore also a phony.

Seth Anthony wrote in the article:
"... abortions take place unsupervised in back alleys, and couples lack longstanding family planning or fertility tools."

Seth, you wrote a complete lie. Dr. Paul has repeatedly said he would allow the States to decide the issue.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/life-and-liberty/
"I am strongly pro life. Life begins at conception ... but, I do not believe this should be a federal matter."

Seth Anthony, why do you write easily refuted lies? Does it make Seth Anthony a good Libertarian when Seth Anthony publishes lies?

There's a big difference between liberal and libertarian, duh... One is left wing progressive, the other is for the freedom of the founding fathers.

With all due respect, in no way do you understand neither the positions of Paul or Libertarian positions.

The abortion issue: wrongly decided by a federal court, only enacted by a sweeping social construct. For an abortion to be mandatory across the country is illegal, literally. It's a state & local issue. But comtemporary populists don't want you to know that.

As far as freedom of religion, same sex marriage, who teaches in public schools: these are all issues that are not only best to decided on a local level, but the only fair way. People in local offices REPRESENT their local community. You're saying that the federal government has a right relinquish citizen's rights to be representated on these matters, and that's diometrically opposed to true freedom.

But when I stopped reading your article is when you said he wants to stop "peaceful people from crossing international borders," by "building a fence."

Surely, you are not a Librertarian. If you don't understand why nations should be independant, sovereign, and the borders protected than you are a liberal, nothing more. For you to disregard the huge expense illegal immigration has caused in this country proves it.

Ron Paul is already history as far as this presidential campaign is concerned. His percentage of the vote is negligible.

It makes one wonder why the Collegian keeps publishing articles about such an unimportant figure.

I would demand to your college that you get a refund for your education. What a slanted nut-piece.

I like his wife.........

Please for the love of your Libertarianism Anthony, PLEASE PLEASE post up a point for point correction of your article for the next time you have your segment printed!

Sincerely,
Brandon

Good article, but I think you are missing the point. The beauty of being libertarian is that we get our rights as individuals, not by sexual orientation, by race, or our religious beliefs. Libertarianism thrives with freedom of choice... Ron Paul has his own beliefs and his convictions which he has a right to, but he believes that the states and the people within the state (smaller govt) should decide on what is right. He may personally oppose abortion or gay marriage, but still respects the fact that people can do what they want. I don't think he would use his power as president to do the awful things you are talking about. Sorry Jr.

Thought you all might find this interesting about taxes. I like the way this Phd describes it. :)

Enjoy

Live Large
Craig

Interesting way to explain our tax system!



Bar Stool Economics:

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer
and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the
way we
pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed
quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the
owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good
customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of
your daily beer by $20."Drinks for the ten now
cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we
pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected.
They would still drink for free. But what about the
other six men - the paying customers? How could they
divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his
'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is
$3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's
share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each
end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner
suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's
bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to
work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing
(100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of
$18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the
first four continued to drink for free. B ut once outside

the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20,"declared the
sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,

" but he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only
saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times
more than I did!"

"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should
he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get
all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison.
"We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits
the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for
drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without
him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they
discovered something important. They didn't have
enough money between all of them for even half of the
bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college
professors, is how our tax system works. The people
who pay the highest taxes get t he most benefit from a
tax reduction. Tax them too much, or attack them for
being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.
In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the
atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
University of Georgia

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

I would *strongly* suggest doing your research before writing another article about any presidential candidate, seeing as how you are completely wrong on almost every single point you've tried to make. Ron Paul wants the federal government out of our lives, he doesn't want abortions to go back to the unsupervised back alley days, he wants it left up to the states. Because the states know the personal reasons behind a woman wanting to make that choice much better than someone sitting in Washington D.C. shelling out their ideas/laws. He wants the states to take more responsibility in their children's educations, instead of leaving it up to the federal government and our tax dollars to do just that. There's a school in New Jersey, forgive me since I don't remember the city, that receives tons of federal money for their programs, and yet over half of their students continue to fail. Who's fault is that? The federal government? Yes and no. Shouldn't the state and the city be stepping in?? Ron Paul is about personal responsibility and taking care of ourselves. He's against a paternalistic style of government that makes rules to 'protect us from ourselves'. Shouldn't that be up to the individual? Yes, I think it should. So once again, I strongly urge you to better research a) the candidate and b)the definition of a libertarian, republican, democrat, liberal, etc. Basically do your homework first before you go spouting off on a tirade.

You obviously have never had an infant ripped out of your womb. Abortion is horrible and it causes many health issues for a woman. You are not making yourself sound good by saying a woman has the right to kill her own child. Dr. Paul was never for the death penalty he said that it is up to the states to decide. Ron Paul is the only candidate that does not get his foreign policy from the corrupt Council on Foreign Relations. Ron Paul rLOVEution, restore our Constitution.

Disagree with you on Ron Paul getusoutofun , but I agree wholeheartedly we should kick the UN out of our country and let the rest of the world who hates us so much pay their own way.

It is liberals that have us picking up the tab for the world and social programs that are colossal failure while draining hundreds of billions from our economy in the previous years.

And what do we get for funding the planet. A bunch of jealous , ungrateful jerks actively either bad mouthing America or actually trying to destroy it.

If we just stopped all the wasted aid to people who end up using it for nefarious purposes any way, then we could fund all of our needs and still address the war on fundamentalist Islamic radicals.

When we have a sworn enemy publicly admitting they are actively seeking a nuke to set off in an American city , the Liberals and Democrats , want to gut the military , stop the war on fronts out side of America , and spend the money we spend on defending our very existence to fund more fraud filled social programs that will not help the poor they are supposed to serve any way and will just add layer after layer of money sucking bureaucrats to our payroll.

THANK GOODNESS Ron Paul is NOT a Libertarian!!! Wow! I never realized how off the wall Libertarianism was until I read this article. No way would we ever vote for one of you bleeding heart 'LIBERAL' Libertarians!!!

Here's the deal, I totally agree with you that RP has limitations, but if you compare those with the limitations of all other candidates in the field then he is by far the least objectionable candidate.

Just a little something for the students that trashed my military service and continue to support far left people and organizations that do the same. This presentation was made by a young soldier. You know the guy who is doing the dying so you far left wing nuts can sit here at home safe on your fat butts and denigrate him.

God Bless Our Military and God Bless America

http://www.flashdemo.net/gallery/wake/index.htm

Why I joined the military and why I hold in contempt the lefties that trash the best kids in America. God Bless the soldier that put together this presentation.http://www.flashdemo.net/gallery/wake/index.htm